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color=#0000ff>Len lets see if this link works. I am sorry the first one i put
didnt...im not sure why! If this one doesnt then just Google search Camp
Dakani Oklahoma and a detailed map is the first in the
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href="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=camp+dakani+oklahoma&fb=1&split=1&cid=0,0,11699239955999286993&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image">http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=camp+dakani+oklahoma&fb=1&split=1&cid=0,0,11699239955999286993&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Len
Billett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Ansteorra-archery]
anyone have a map +directions for NRFP?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>does anyone have a link to a map or the complete address of the place where
the NRFP is being held on Sat.?</DIV>
<DIV>I can mapquest it if needed, but i need the address. I'm coming from the
Noble/Norman area so any directions from there would
be great!<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial black" color=#ff0000 size=4><EM>Len
Billett</EM></FONT></DIV>
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Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the<BR>
SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions! (Ken
Theriot)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:50:53 -0600<BR>From: "Ken Theriot" <<A
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com"
ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Cross-Bows WILL Be Welcome at the<BR>
SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions!<BR>To: "'Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra'"<BR> <<A
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
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<EA735A3A2285481AA26F058B62565711@SuperComputer><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<BR><BR>Thanks Iago! That's the kind of
thing I was looking for. <BR><BR><BR><BR>I've received a number of
responses privately as well. And based on<BR>everyone's input I will say
with certainty (this time for sure;)) that<BR>cross-bows WILL be involved
in the target archery at our event. I suspected<BR>that excluding one type
of weapon might not be kosher, which is why I wanted<BR>to ask the folks on this
list, most of whom have much more target archery<BR>experience than I do.
It has been quite an education;). <BR><BR><BR><BR>I still have to clear
some things with some other folks in the barony before<BR>I put anything out
through official channels as to the specifics (how we'll<BR>arrange for parity,
etc.). But I CAN promise that cross-bows will be<BR>welcome at our
event! If there is one thing we WANT to do here, it is to<BR>encourage
archery in Ansteorra. That is the point of this event.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks again for all your
input!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth<BR><BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR>From:
Greg Coffman [mailto:<A href="mailto:baroniago@earthlink.net"
ymailto="mailto:baroniago@earthlink.net">baroniago@earthlink.net</A>] <BR>Sent:
Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:04 PM<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question
About<BR>SherwoodTargetArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>I will come to support
my barony. I will not participate because I can no<BR>longer draw my recurve due
to a shoulder injury. If it were in another<BR>group, I wouldn't spend the money
on the gas. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Iago<BR><BR>On Jan 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Ken
Theriot wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks Arthur! I seem to have read
all these replies in reverse order, so<BR>though I was certain I was going to
limit it to "hand-bows" (thanks for the<BR>question there) only on the target
shoots, I'm also getting a hint that some<BR>cross-bow people might feel
excluded if we do that. Sigh. I definitely<BR>want this to be fun
AND as inclusive as can be. And we want ALL the shoots<BR>to be happen
(safely;)) in the view of spectators in a "gallery" area. The<BR>more
different stuff that is going on, it seems to me, the more confusing it<BR>would
be for the gallery. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Since I haven't made the decision yet,
maybe I could take a poll of<BR>cross-bow target folks on this list to see how
many WOULDN'T come to the<BR>event if we made it hand-bow only, but who
otherwise WOULD have come. If<BR>that number is low or non-existent, I'll
probably stay with the hand-bow<BR>only. But if 5 or 6 archers say they're
not coming due to the exclusion, I<BR>would look at including cross-bow.
<BR><BR><BR><BR>You don't have to post it here. Feel free to e-mail me
at<BR><A href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com"
ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>
if you'd like.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Oh, and again I want to make it clear that the
armored combat archery WILL<BR>include cross-bows as usual. Just in case
there was any question.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks
again!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth<BR><BR><BR><BR> _____ <BR><BR>From:
ld.blackmoon [mailto:<A href="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net"
ymailto="mailto:ld.blackmoon@cox.net">ld.blackmoon@cox.net</A>] <BR>Sent:
Friday, January 16, 2009 5:27 PM<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra<BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Question About
Sherwood<BR>TargetArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>greetings
<BR><BR><BR><BR>>This is a Robin Hood themed event, and as such, I was hoping
to limit the<BR>target competitions (we'll be doing target stuff with both the
regular TA<BR>stuff AND the CA stuff in the morning) to long bow.<BR><BR>would
that be long bow as in longbow only ? or longbow as in longbow
/<BR>recurve ?? or some variant ?<BR><BR>>However, I know there are folks who
prefer the cross-bow, or even shoot it<BR>exclusively for target. How is
this handled in "regular" target<BR>competitions? <BR><BR>themed
shoots are somewhat common in some areas , the thing is ,as you<BR>stated , some
people prefer one style over the other , some like myself are<BR>trying to
master as many styles as we have equipment . anyway , the key is<BR>to try to
ballance your shoots so that no single style has all of the<BR>advantages .
normaly one shoot will be given over to he " theme " of the<BR>event , normaly
the title shoot.<BR><BR>if you are going to limit any of the shoots , you really
should publish the<BR>details well in advance .<BR><BR>>Cross-bows would have
a huge advantage over long bows for the same target<BR>and distance wouldn't
they?<BR><BR>only if you plan it that way ...<BR><BR>there are 4 very easy ways
to handicap crossbows to help ballance a shoot in<BR>target archery.<BR><BR>1.
timed = crossbows take longer to load and fire than recurve or longbow<BR><BR>2.
distance = crossbows work well at regular known distances , not so well<BR>at
unknown distances<BR><BR>3, # of shots = crossbows normaly have to get "
zeroed in " if they dont<BR>know the distance , this takes shots to do , most
crossbow archers will need<BR>aprox 3 to 4 shots to get zeroed, but ive seen a
realy good crossbowman<BR>zero in 2 shots<BR><BR>4, cold shoot = remember almost
all archers like the advantage of having a<BR>known distance , and will pace off
the targets if given the chance .<BR><BR><BR><BR>there are also ways to "
handicap " longbow / recurve archers as well , it<BR>mainly lies in knowing "
how " each bow type operates .<BR><BR>>Am I off-base here? <BR><BR>that would
be for you to decide , just remember to try to keep archery as an<BR>" inclusive
" activity , and not an exclusive activity.bad feelings cause<BR>people to avoid
events they would otherwise attend .<BR><BR>crossbow envy is usualy caused
because marshals don't understand how<BR>crossbows work .<BR><BR>>I don't
have the competition experience to know for sure what to do here<BR><BR>the
bottom line is, have fun , if you are the marshal in charge , its
your<BR>shoot , run it the way you want , unless there is a safety issue , or
a<BR>nobility issue <BR><BR>( you cant start at 9 am , morning court is at
9 am or his magesty wishes<BR>to watch x activity , but wont be available till
3pm )<BR><BR>no one should be changing your shoot . any range can be closed for
safety<BR>issues, so make sure you double check any possible safety
issues.<BR><BR>but as marshal in charge , you are responsible for all the the
fun, safety,<BR>and also any problems that arise , for all the archers and
spectators at<BR>your event .<BR><BR><BR><BR>>Any input
appreciated.<BR><BR>ok those are my thoughts on this subject, others thoughts
may ( and probably<BR>will ; ) vary .<BR><BR><BR><BR>good luck on your event
!!<BR><BR><BR><BR>be safe, be happy, have fun<BR><BR>arthur<BR><BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR><BR>From: Ken <mailto:<A
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com"
ymailto="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com</A>>
Theriot <BR><BR>To: 'Archery within the Kingdom of<BR><mailto:<A
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>>
Ansteorra' <BR><BR>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:50 PM<BR><BR>Subject:
[Ansteorra-archery] Question About Sherwood
Target<BR>ArcheryCompetitions<BR><BR><BR><BR>Hey Everyone,<BR><BR><BR><BR>I was
at our event planning meeting last night and talking about the
archery<BR>competitions. There will be several "novelty-shoots" for target
archery,<BR>but I got to thinking afterward that I wanted to ask the experts
about<BR>something. I'm relatively new to target (though I've been doing
CA<BR>regularly for a few years). <BR><BR><BR><BR>This is a Robin Hood
themed event, and as such, I was hoping to limit the<BR>target competitions
(we'll be doing target stuff with both the regular TA<BR>stuff AND the CA stuff
in the morning) to long bow. I know cross-bows<BR>existed in this period,
but it just isn't in the "idiom" (zeitgeist?) of<BR>Robin Hood. Also,
there is currently a set number of archery prizes.one for<BR>overall target
archery, 1 for CA target archery, and 1 for<BR>"in-armor-actually-fighting" CA.
If we have to ALSO split the TA prize into<BR>two (one for cross-bow, and one
for long-bow), it will make things a lot<BR>harder to do. However, I know
there are folks who prefer the cross-bow, or<BR>even shoot it exclusively for
target. How is this handled in "regular"<BR>target competitions?
<BR><BR><BR><BR>Cross-bows would have a huge advantage over long bows for
the same target<BR>and distance wouldn't they? It would make sense to me
that the two types of<BR>weapons would have to either have their own
competitions, or have different<BR>distances for the same target.
Regardless of either situation, it seems<BR>like it would be exponentially
difficult, given our full schedule, to have<BR>both weapons in the target
archery competition. Am I off-base here?<BR>Honestly, though I have
participated in several "fun" shoots at SCA events,<BR>have set up a range, and
am an authorized TA marshal, I don't have the<BR>competition experience to know
for sure what to do here.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Any input
appreciated.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Kenneth <BR><BR><BR>
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