Please understand that not all Knights are against it.<br>
<br>
I see Combat Archery as a part of war and in every Kingdom in which I have had a part in the Armt Structure I have created an Archery Captain postion.<br>
<br>
There is however a very vocial group to include some knights that feel as Mast Pug states.<br>
<br>
As a matter of fact this past Pennsic the Atlantian King gae out 4 Sharks Tooths(Atlantian award for valor/cool stuff on the field) to combat archers after they pretty much decimated the other side on one of Atlantia's end bridges.<br>
<br>
I have a crossbow that I use.<br>
<br>
Sir Guy<br>
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From: ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon@cox.net><br>
To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><br>
Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:08 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<br>
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<div><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face=Arial>master pug , it may be a quick and dirty version of the history, but a very accurate one it is indeed ; )</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial>and much better written than my earlier reply.</FONT></div>
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<div><FONT face=Arial>be safe, be happy, have fun</FONT></div>
<div><FONT face=Arial>arthur </FONT></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org __removedLink__2042482545__href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">'Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra'</A> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:05 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery</div>
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Good Morning,<br>
<br>
I think there is something that a few of us have seen because of our roles<br>
in the upper archery marshal arena, that the majority of the archers have<br>
not. This viewpoint is one that gives new light onto some of the arguments<br>
when issues with Combat Archery come up. This is a very simplified history<br>
with a lot of other arguments in between, but it gives you an idea.<br>
<br>
Combat Archery was founded and there were very few archers, but they were<br>
having fun and kept coming back despite having their ammo destroyed all the<br>
time because of the materials. In general the fighters are having a good<br>
time with it because there are so few archers that even the good ones can<br>
only make a limited amount of difference to a major battle.<br>
<br>
During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including Knights<br>
that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It should be<br>
banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.<br>
<br>
At some point early in my fighting career (about 10-11 years ago now),<br>
Combat Archery made a big leap in effectiveness on the battle field. This<br>
effectiveness was due to two factors, the quality of the archers and the<br>
quantity of the archers. Because of this, the argument about combat archery<br>
not being safe came up and APDs were created a year or so later. This caused<br>
a lot of combat archers to drop off the field because of the anger they had<br>
or the cost/hassle of getting their equipment up to standard.<br>
<br>
During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including Knights<br>
that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It should be<br>
banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.<br>
<br>
This was fine for a couple years and then enough archers had switched to<br>
crossbow because of the effectiveness and the quality and quantity of<br>
archers went up. Because of this, the argument about it not being safe came<br>
up because of the complex rules and there being too many styles of ammo and<br>
APD. This caused some angst and cost/hassle so some combat archers dropped<br>
off the field.<br>
<br>
During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including Knights<br>
that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It should be<br>
banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.<br>
<br>
There was a new design of Baldar blunts (eggs) that were sold without<br>
going through the proper approval process. This caused a lot of archers to<br>
spend money since they were very effective with the way they transferred<br>
energy which meant that fighters called their shots more often. After going<br>
through some testing, these were found to be unsafe and recalled. This<br>
caused some angst and cost/hassle so some combat archers dropped off the<br>
field.<br>
<br>
During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including Knights<br>
that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It should be<br>
banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.<br>
<br>
Things settled down and archers came back to the field. This last year,<br>
there were incidents with the recall of the one piece Baldar blunts because<br>
of a design flaw as well as with some ammo at Pennsic that started another<br>
argument about the safety of Combat Archery. This caused several years worth<br>
of Baldar blunt purchases to be replaced, as well as all UHMW ammo to have<br>
to add foam and meet previously non-existent maximum amounts of foam in<br>
front of the head rules. This caused some angst and cost/hassle but it looks<br>
like it did not cause any combat archers to drop off the field. Matter of<br>
fact, because of intelligently planning ahead and working with other<br>
kingdoms there have been few enough changes to the Ansteorran combat archers<br>
in the last several years that I think we are getting more archers back on<br>
the field.<br>
<br>
During all of this there are a vocal group of fighters including Knights<br>
that are arguing that Combat Archery is unsafe and unrealistic. It should be<br>
banned from the SCA so we can get on with fighting like real men do.<br>
<br>
There were lots of side arguments during all of this including some of my<br>
favorites of just using plain UHMW heads without padding, getting rid of<br>
weight limits on bows, and using golf ball heads without padding. As well,<br>
some of the Kingdoms weren't as well informed during the rules changes and<br>
their archers are having some problems now. There are a couple kingdoms that<br>
have fairly light poundage on their crossbows and the most recent Society<br>
rules changes has caused a fair number of the weapons to not be legal<br>
anymore and has probably caused their archers to be angry and incur more<br>
cost to get back on the field, if they do at all right now. Fortunately for<br>
us we paid attention to the data our marshals had gathered and knew that the<br>
change would impact very few, if any, of our combat archers.<br>
<br>
So for us, our Earl Marshal, our Archery Marshals, and our Crown, we have<br>
to figure out how to be diplomatic and logical in our fight to keep combat<br>
archery around. We have to take the moral high ground since anything else<br>
will just prove 'their' point. While we may not like it or understand why it<br>
really matters in the long run, unfortunately it sometimes means only being<br>
able to carry 15 pieces of ammo at a time in the ravine in order to have<br>
Combat Archery at all in the ravine.<br>
<br>
This is *not* to say that we just roll over whenever something stupid<br>
comes out, but it does mean we have to be well informed about the<br>
circumstances and plead a reasonable case and not an emotional knee jerk<br>
reaction. This will help combat archery to survive.<br>
<br>
Btw, the vocal group of fighters and Knights against this is a very small<br>
group, but they are so rabid about their argument that they can cause even<br>
the most pro-archery people to throw up their arms in surrender. I was<br>
talking to a Knight about it just this weekend who had finally given up<br>
because of the way it was making him to react.<br>
<br>
Ciao,<br>
<br>
Pug Bainter<br>
Phelim Gervase called Pug<br>
Dark Horde Moritu - Barony of Bryn Gwlad - Kingdom of Ansteorra<br>
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