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<div><font face="Arial">greetings </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">><font face="Times New Roman">How many
quivers can I carry?</font><br>
</font><font face="Arial">as far as i can tell , as many as you want
, but you can only have 15 arrows total in them .</font></div>
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Lets go along with the spirit of the convention that was negotiated by
your King. Please do not carry more than 15 pieces of ammo at a time
onto the battlefield.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">></font><font face="Times New Roman">I can
already see where this is going......next year there will be no combat
archery during the ravine battle.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">possibly , they do tend to refer to the
ravine battle as " archers shooting fish in a barrel .</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">its been around in one form or another for
quite a while i believe, they refer to it as an " equalizer " since it
reduces the number of possible kills by an archer , be happy, the most
common version is x number of arrows , period . no refills .</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">><font face="Times New Roman">Who did it?
(so I can send them a nasty e-mail)</font><br>
</font><font face="Arial">please dont ; )</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">><font face="Times New Roman">What was the
purpose?/What was the complaint that led to it?</font></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">blame the whiners in the other kingdoms .</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">ansteorra is one of the few kingdoms that
seems to promote combat archery </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">( so maybe we have real men , not sissies ?? )</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">this is just my opinion from reading too many
posts on too many lists , but .</font></div>
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There is no reason to seek to blame anyone. <br>
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<div><font face="Arial">you got " clear the bow " because heavies
didnt like hitting " unarmed archers " since you couldnt shoot them if
they were too close.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">now your " armed " till your within sword
range.</font></div>
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No not the reason there is a clear to bow minimum range. There has
basically always been a clear the bow minimum range, except when there
where non-contact participants on the field. There were actually more
kingdoms who had clear the bow as their minimum range as there were
those that had something more. When the decision was made that
everyone needed to be armored the same and that there would be no more
non-contact, there was no longer a need to have any minimum range
greater than clear the bow.<br>
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The biggest reasons these changes were made is to avoid confusion.
There were some kingdoms that marked non-contact people with Red
Pheons, others still with White Diamonds, some with plumes, and there
were some kingdoms that did not mark them at all and just said
something like "all archers and siege engineers are non-contact". When
people go to foreign wars the conventions were not the same and
non-contact people were getting smacked occasionally and those
non-contact people would always cause a still ask for a marshals court,
etc. when they got smacked accidentally or even just accidentally run
over. The easiest way to solve it was to simply say that there was a
single armor standard, that there was no more non-contact and that
everyone on the field was killed the same way.<br>
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Similarly there were the arguments of "You were too close when you
shot me!" I saw it happen all the time in Ansteorra and we were all
supposed to be familiar with the same Ansteorran rules. I would say
that not a single year went buy without that argument. Go to a war
where some people are accustomed to clear the bow, others are
accustomed to 10 ft, and others 15 ft. and the arguments become
more. The easiest and I think the best way for us to address it in
Ansteorra is to go with the Society standard that has been around for
decades and simply say that there is no minimum range and that as long
as the ammo can clear the bow safely you can fire.<br>
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There has been a big push everywhere to consolidate and simplify the
rules and much as possible and where possible just use the Society
Standards. Not just for CA but for other combat disciplines as well.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">you lost arrows because they only want to
look at the fighter in front of them and not keep an eye out for
archers , in other words </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">" archers kill too many people " i've even
read that " it wasn't fair because while a knight was busy killing 1
fighter , an archer could kill 4 fighters including the knight , making
the knight look bad ". dont ask me , i dont understand either.</font></div>
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I don't believe it is an issue of making any knight "look bad". People
don't like to die and be forced to make that hike back to res point.
Effective archers will force them to make that hike more often. The
better the fighter the less accustomed there are for be forced to make
that march back to res point and they die just like everyone else to
archer fire. In fact it can be argued that they die more often because
our own shieldmen and spearmen are pointing at the person that is
tearing them up and saying "Kill Him!" and we oblige them by doing so.
So the knights, the counts, and the dukes probably get targeted more
often because they present more of a threat and our arrows are best
spent killing them. <br>
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In the long run it then becomes those same Knights, Counts, and Dukes
that scream the loudest that archery should be banned. They aren't
accustomed to a peon like me being able to kill them 15 times in a
ravine battle -- but of course they keep coming back to the same spot
and harassing my same buddies, so they keep getting the same treatment.<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">and you have to return to the res point to
reload for 2 reasons .</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">1, to tire you out so that you dont hit your
target as often / your too tired to outrun them , and </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">2. they want the archers to " die " as often
as the people they are shooting , with the resultant walk back and
forth .</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">apearantly , they believe that this willl
give them more time on the field without being shot at .</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">so when you get to those battles with ca ,
remember to use your amo wisely, aim carefully , and shoot the silly
whiner on the enemies side ; )</font></div>
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Clearly the goal is to reduce the effectiveness of CA in the Ravine
battle. So yes I would say that we have been singled out in that
respect and that by limiting it 15 pieces of ammo they have even gone
so far as to limit it to an unrealistically low ammo count. <br>
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For me this means in the ravine battle I might walk to res point 20
times just to reload since I can go through 300 pieces of ammo in the
battle. Yep, that stinks to be forced to go back to res point without
being killed. I feel that if they wanted to force me back to res point
they should kill me or get their archers to kill me. But our Crowns
and decided and agreed to this so we will abide by it. The only other
choice you have is to simply not do CA and that is of course exactly
what they would like for you to do.<br>
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-EA<br>
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