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Those aluminum prods are approximately 60-65 pounds fyi. They are Darkwood armory prods. the draw length is approx 8 - 9 inches. I will be seeing Rorik about the end of the month (if he shows up, hes been MIA for a while now)<BR>
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Karl Thorgeirsson<BR>
<BR><BR>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0600<BR>> From: dannym@austin.rr.com<BR>> To: ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] need some info.<BR>> <BR>> How long is your draw, from the bow to the nut?<BR>> <BR>> Oznog<BR>> <BR>> Len Billett wrote:<BR>> > i was looking through an old list I had saved which basically had this <BR>> > . "Roric of Wolfstar has a number of the aluminum prods still for $40."<BR>> > does anyone have Roric of wolfstar's email. I am still looking to get <BR>> > rid of this 30" 80lb. xbow prod. in exchange for something in the <BR>> > 40-45 lb. range. just enough for everyday shooting , I dont need to <BR>> > peirce platemail or kill a bear lol. If anyone can help me out with <BR>> > my problem let me know.<BR>> > <BR>> > /Len Billett/<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > *From:* "ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org" <BR>> > <ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > *To:* ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 2:00:06 PM<BR>> > *Subject:* Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 33, Issue 29<BR>> ><BR>> > Send Ansteorra-archery mailing list submissions to<BR>> > ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> ><BR>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> > <BR>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> ><BR>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> > ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> ><BR>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> > ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:ansteorra-archery-owner@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> ><BR>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> > than "Re: Contents of Ansteorra-archery digest..."<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Today's Topics:<BR>> ><BR>> > 1. Re: Survival of Combat Archery (Mike)<BR>> > 2. Re: Survival of Combat Archery (Eric Brown)<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 1<BR>> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:26:00 -0600<BR>> > From: Mike <meggiddo@netzero.net <mailto:meggiddo@netzero.net>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> > <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org>><BR>> > Message-ID: <4994BE18.50102@netzero.net <BR>> > <mailto:4994BE18.50102@netzero.net>><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<BR>> ><BR>> > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to<BR>> > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the<BR>> > size of this Kingdom.<BR>> > So, still not valid.<BR>> ><BR>> > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -<BR>> > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I<BR>> > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Michael Kettering<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Richard Threlkeld wrote:<BR>> > > Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood <BR>> > by your<BR>> > > archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. <BR>> > So "12,<BR>> > > 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the <BR>> > left. They<BR>> > > know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, <BR>> > but they<BR>> > > don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In service,<BR>> > > Caelin on Andrede<BR>> > ><BR>> > > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > > From:<BR>> > > <BR>> > ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > > <BR>> > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra <BR>> > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra><BR>> > > .org] On Behalf Of Mike<BR>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM<BR>> > > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Heilsa,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -<BR>> > > which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a<BR>> > > mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No<BR>> > > Surprise."<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the<BR>> > > photos! Not worth the effort!<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Michael Kettering<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Eric Brown wrote:<BR>> > > <BR>> > >> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all<BR>> > >> about.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals<BR>> > >> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the<BR>> > >> 15 piece of armor rule<BR>> > >> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to<BR>> > >> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine<BR>> > >> battle, while still letting our archers get out<BR>> > >> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant<BR>> > >> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,<BR>> > >> but to lessen the drama.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields<BR>> > >> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like<BR>> > >> Christmas morning to good archers :).<BR>> > >> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my<BR>> > >> crossbow :)<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about<BR>> > >> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot<BR>> > >> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.<BR>> > >> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try<BR>> > >> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the<BR>> > >> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,<BR>> > >> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare,<BR>> > >> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling<BR>> > >> about in my gourd.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed<BR>> > >> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So<BR>> > >> my real question is,<BR>> > >> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in<BR>> > >> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the<BR>> > >> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most<BR>> > >> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the<BR>> > >> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble,<BR>> > >> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then<BR>> > >> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever<BR>> > >> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they<BR>> > >> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and<BR>> > >> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have<BR>> > >> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show<BR>> > >> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in<BR>> > >> case you were worried about that..<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone<BR>> > >> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to<BR>> > >> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and<BR>> > >> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best<BR>> > >> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Caladin-<BR>> > >> Generalisimo.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Mike Wyvill wrote:<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And<BR>> > >>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the<BR>> > >>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke<BR>> > >>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen<BR>> > >>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this<BR>> > >>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up<BR>> > >>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that<BR>> > >>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will<BR>> > >>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need<BR>> > >>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.<BR>> > >>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him<BR>> > >>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the<BR>> > >>> ravine when asked.<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>> EdV<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >> _______________________________________________<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > >> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> <BR>> > > ____________________________________________________________<BR>> > > Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement<BR>> > > project.<BR>> > > <BR>> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9ZpcAqjjEqppEFJFlberouH<BR>> > > 9n76FBzc0vQwqxC0dAUl1Q9r/<BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > > Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > ><BR>> > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > > Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > <BR>> > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > URL: <BR>> > <http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/attachments/20090212/64876968/attachment.html><BR>> ><BR>> > ------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Message: 2<BR>> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:45:58 -0600<BR>> > From: Eric Brown <caladin@io.com <mailto:caladin@io.com>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> > <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org>><BR>> > Message-ID: <4994FB06.9070005@io.com <mailto:4994FB06.9070005@io.com>><BR>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"<BR>> ><BR>> > :)<BR>> ><BR>> > Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you<BR>> > prefer at caladin at io.com <http://io.com/>.<BR>> ><BR>> > Thanks,<BR>> ><BR>> > Caladin-<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Mike wrote:<BR>> > > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to<BR>> > > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the<BR>> > > size of this Kingdom.<BR>> > > So, still not valid.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -<BR>> > > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I<BR>> > > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Michael Kettering<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Richard Threlkeld wrote:<BR>> > >> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood <BR>> > by your<BR>> > >> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. <BR>> > So "12,<BR>> > >> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the <BR>> > left. They<BR>> > >> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, <BR>> > but they<BR>> > >> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> In service,<BR>> > >> Caelin on Andrede<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > >> From:<BR>> > >> <BR>> > ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > >> <BR>> > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra <BR>> > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra><BR>> > >> .org] On Behalf Of Mike<BR>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM<BR>> > >> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Heilsa,<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -<BR>> > >> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a<BR>> > >> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No<BR>> > >> Surprise."<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the<BR>> > >> photos! Not worth the effort!<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Michael Kettering<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> Eric Brown wrote:<BR>> > >> <BR>> > >>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to <BR>> > Y'all<BR>> > >>> about.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals<BR>> > >>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so <BR>> > the<BR>> > >>> 15 piece of armor rule<BR>> > >>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to<BR>> > >>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine<BR>> > >>> battle, while still letting our archers get out<BR>> > >>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant<BR>> > >>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,<BR>> > >>> but to lessen the drama.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no <BR>> > shields<BR>> > >>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like<BR>> > >>> Christmas morning to good archers :).<BR>> > >>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my<BR>> > >>> crossbow :)<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about<BR>> > >>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot<BR>> > >>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.<BR>> > >>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try<BR>> > >>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the<BR>> > >>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,<BR>> > >>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic <BR>> > warfare,<BR>> > >>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have <BR>> > rattling<BR>> > >>> about in my gourd.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try <BR>> > massed<BR>> > >>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that <BR>> > direction...So<BR>> > >>> my real question is,<BR>> > >>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled <BR>> > together in<BR>> > >>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if <BR>> > the<BR>> > >>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most<BR>> > >>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in <BR>> > the<BR>> > >>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky <BR>> > gamble,<BR>> > >>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. <BR>> > Then<BR>> > >>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or <BR>> > whatever<BR>> > >>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they<BR>> > >>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and<BR>> > >>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have<BR>> > >>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show<BR>> > >>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in<BR>> > >>> case you were worried about that..<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone<BR>> > >>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to<BR>> > >>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and<BR>> > >>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best<BR>> > >>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> Caladin-<BR>> > >>> Generalisimo.<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> Mike Wyvill wrote:<BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. <BR>> > And<BR>> > >>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the<BR>> > >>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke<BR>> > >>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen<BR>> > >>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this<BR>> > >>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up<BR>> > >>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that<BR>> > >>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will<BR>> > >>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need<BR>> > >>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.<BR>> > >>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him<BR>> > >>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the<BR>> > >>>> ravine when asked.<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>>> EdV<BR>> > >>>> <BR>> > >>> _______________________________________________<BR>> > >>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > >>> Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > >>> <BR>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>><BR>> > >>> <BR>> > >> ____________________________________________________________<BR>> > >> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement<BR>> > >> project.<BR>> > >> <BR>> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9ZpcAqjjEqppEFJFlberouH<BR>> > >> 9n76FBzc0vQwqxC0dAUl1Q9r/<BR>> > >> _______________________________________________<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > >> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > >><BR>> > >> _______________________________________________<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> > >> Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org <BR>> > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>> > >> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org<BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >><BR>> > >> <BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > ____________________________________________________________<BR>> > > Aching back? 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