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<DIV>i was looking through an old list I had saved which basically had this . "Roric of Wolfstar has a number of the aluminum prods still for $40."</DIV>
<DIV>does anyone have Roric of wolfstar's email. I am still looking to get rid of this 30" 80lb. xbow prod. in exchange for something in the 40-45 lb. range. just enough for everyday shooting , I dont need to peirce platemail or kill a bear lol. If anyone can help me out with my problem let me know. <BR> </DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> "ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org" <ansteorra-archery-request@lists.ansteorra.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, February 13, 2009 2:00:06 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Ansteorra-archery Digest, Vol 33, Issue 29<BR></FONT><BR>Send Ansteorra-archery mailing list submissions to<BR> <A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR> <A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org" target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR><BR>or, via email, send a
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ymailto="mailto:meggiddo@netzero.net">meggiddo@netzero.net</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR> <<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4994BE18.50102@netzero.net" ymailto="mailto:4994BE18.50102@netzero.net">4994BE18.50102@netzero.net</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"<BR><BR>To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to <BR>practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the <BR>size of this Kingdom.<BR>So, still not valid.<BR><BR>Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" - <BR>otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I <BR>thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and
not A, B, C, and J. "<BR><BR><BR>Michael Kettering<BR><BR><BR>Richard Threlkeld wrote:<BR>> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood by your<BR>> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. So "12,<BR>> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the left. They<BR>> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, but they<BR>> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.<BR>><BR>> In service,<BR>> Caelin on Andrede<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:<BR>> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=<A href="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org">softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=<A href="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra"
ymailto="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra">softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra</A><BR>> .org] On Behalf Of Mike<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM<BR>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>><BR>> Heilsa,<BR>><BR>> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands - <BR>> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!<BR>><BR>> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a <BR>> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No <BR>> Surprise."<BR>><BR>> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the <BR>> photos! Not worth the effort!<BR>><BR>><BR>> Michael Kettering<BR>><BR>><BR>> Eric Brown wrote:<BR>> <BR>>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk
to Y'all <BR>>> about.<BR>>><BR>>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals <BR>>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the <BR>>> 15 piece of armor rule<BR>>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to <BR>>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine <BR>>> battle, while still letting our archers get out<BR>>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant <BR>>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness, <BR>>> but to lessen the drama.<BR>>><BR>>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields <BR>>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like <BR>>> Christmas morning to good archers :).<BR>>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd
brought my <BR>>> crossbow :)<BR>>><BR>>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about <BR>>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot <BR>>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.<BR>>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try <BR>>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the <BR>>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,<BR>>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare, <BR>>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling <BR>>> about in my gourd.<BR>>><BR>>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed <BR>>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So <BR>>> my real question is,<BR>>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled
together in <BR>>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the <BR>>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?<BR>>><BR>>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most <BR>>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the <BR>>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble, <BR>>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then <BR>>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever <BR>>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they <BR>>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and <BR>>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have <BR>>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show <BR>>> for it. You would not be being
left out exposed to be destroyed, in <BR>>> case you were worried about that..<BR>>><BR>>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone <BR>>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to <BR>>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.<BR>>><BR>>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and <BR>>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best <BR>>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.<BR>>><BR>>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?<BR>>><BR>>> Caladin-<BR>>> Generalisimo.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Mike Wyvill wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,<BR>>>> <BR>>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And <BR>>>> all
Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the <BR>>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke <BR>>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen <BR>>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this <BR>>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up <BR>>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that <BR>>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will <BR>>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need <BR>>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that. <BR>>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him <BR>>>> the tools to state what the archers
can do for Ansteorra in the <BR>>>> ravine when asked.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> EdV<BR>>>> <BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>>> <A href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>>> <A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org" target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>> ____________________________________________________________<BR>> Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement<BR>> project.<BR>> <A href="http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9ZpcAqjjEqppEFJFlberouH"
target=_blank>http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9ZpcAqjjEqppEFJFlberouH</A><BR>> 9n76FBzc0vQwqxC0dAUl1Q9r/<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org" target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org"
target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <<A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/attachments/20090212/64876968/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/attachments/20090212/64876968/attachment.html</A>><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:45:58 -0600<BR>From: Eric Brown <<A href="mailto:caladin@io.com" ymailto="mailto:caladin@io.com">caladin@io.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR> <<A href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:4994FB06.9070005@io.com" ymailto="mailto:4994FB06.9070005@io.com">4994FB06.9070005@io.com</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<BR><BR><BR>I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"<BR><BR>:)<BR><BR>Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you <BR>prefer at caladin at <A href="http://io.com/" target=_blank>io.com</A>.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Caladin-<BR><BR><BR>Mike wrote:<BR>> To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to <BR>> practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the <BR>> size of this Kingdom.<BR>> So, still not valid.<BR>><BR>> Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" - <BR>> otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I
<BR>> thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "<BR>><BR>><BR>> Michael Kettering<BR>><BR>><BR>> Richard Threlkeld wrote:<BR>>> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood by your<BR>>> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. So "12,<BR>>> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the left. They<BR>>> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, but they<BR>>> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.<BR>>><BR>>> In service,<BR>>> Caelin on Andrede<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From:<BR>>> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=<A href="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org" ymailto="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org">softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra.org</A><BR>>>
[mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=<A href="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra" ymailto="mailto:softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra">softwareinnovation.com@lists.ansteorra</A><BR>>> .org] On Behalf Of Mike<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM<BR>>> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery<BR>>><BR>>> Heilsa,<BR>>><BR>>> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands - <BR>>> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!<BR>>><BR>>> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a <BR>>> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No <BR>>> Surprise."<BR>>><BR>>> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the <BR>>> photos! Not worth the
effort!<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Michael Kettering<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Eric Brown wrote:<BR>>> <BR>>>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all <BR>>>> about.<BR>>>><BR>>>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals <BR>>>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the <BR>>>> 15 piece of armor rule<BR>>>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to <BR>>>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine <BR>>>> battle, while still letting our archers get out<BR>>>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant <BR>>>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness, <BR>>>> but to lessen the drama.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Plus you've I hope
you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields <BR>>>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like <BR>>>> Christmas morning to good archers :).<BR>>>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my <BR>>>> crossbow :)<BR>>>><BR>>>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about <BR>>>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot <BR>>>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.<BR>>>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try <BR>>>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the <BR>>>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,<BR>>>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare, <BR>>>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling
<BR>>>> about in my gourd.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed <BR>>>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So <BR>>>> my real question is,<BR>>>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in <BR>>>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the <BR>>>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?<BR>>>><BR>>>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most <BR>>>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the <BR>>>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble, <BR>>>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then <BR>>>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or
whatever <BR>>>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they <BR>>>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and <BR>>>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have <BR>>>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show <BR>>>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in <BR>>>> case you were worried about that..<BR>>>><BR>>>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone <BR>>>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to <BR>>>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and <BR>>>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best <BR>>>>
assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.<BR>>>><BR>>>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Caladin-<BR>>>> Generalisimo.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Mike Wyvill wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And <BR>>>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the <BR>>>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke <BR>>>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen <BR>>>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this <BR>>>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up <BR>>>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an
idea of our numbers so that <BR>>>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will <BR>>>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need <BR>>>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that. <BR>>>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him <BR>>>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the <BR>>>>> ravine when asked.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> EdV<BR>>>>> <BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list<BR>>>> <A href="mailto:Ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
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