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Another thing to consider is that in a resurrection battle, a kill is
not the important thing. The important thing is the scenario
objective. In the ravine, that means capturing / holding the flag. So
even if no arrow kills an opponent, but it creates an opening for
others to take the flag, then those arrows were well spent.<br>
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That being said, I don't think volley fire is quite what we want. Most
people think of volley fire as a large group of un-aimed arrows shot in
an arc. I think what would work well is coordinated direct fire shot
en mass or in waves. If we are getting ready to make a big push to
take a flag, then an archery unit (say around 10 archers) could work
with the local area commander to mass all fire to a certain area right
before a charge. It's a tactic that I would certainly be willing to
look into, but it's going to take good coordination between the
different commanders.<br>
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Donnchadh<br>
NR Archery Commander<br>
<br>
Brandon McDermott wrote:
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valign="top">I think the that it is a misconception to say any one
threw away their hard work (read arrows) unless the volley is simply at
random. The idea is to temporarily blind/confuse/frighten a unit/army
into making a mistake that others may capitalize upon. Heavy fighters
consider it a kill for themselves every time the spear men they are
protecting kills an enemy soldier. For the archers the thought process
should be the same. 10 archers fire a single bolt (in unison) and in
doing so allow one of our units to over run a flank, then each of those
ten arrows may "kill" 1 foe, 2 foes, 3 foes........It may collapse the
entire flank.....It may win the battle....It may win the war....It may
be wholly and utterly ineffective.....We wont know if we don't try.
Also, I personally don't think it should be used every time, I believe
that would be a waste of resources. I would ask that that we try it,
see when it works, if it works at all? <br>
So archers practice a unified volley. Heavy fighters practice with them
to make a less than obvious charge hitting just after the volley
strikes. This may work just as well with five archers as fifteen. Food
for thought so we might as a Kingdom become more dominant on the melee
field.<br>
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Gramercy,<br>
Lochlan<br>
<br>
P.S.<br>
Just a thought....... But would this be a good tactic for the
disposable heavy fighter cross bow volley attack?<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Mon, 2/16/09, jack spinks <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jlspinks@sbcglobal.net"><jlspinks@sbcglobal.net></a></i></b>
wrote:<br>
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jack spinks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jlspinks@sbcglobal.net"><jlspinks@sbcglobal.net></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] on the use of archers<br>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"><ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org></a><br>
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 6:52 PM<br>
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<div>I believe the good gentles are correct. It is
only those good kills from that perfect shot that the archers live for
just as fighters live for those good kills that they get one on one.
And those archer kills are increasingly hard to come by with the slower
arrows (APDs and additional foam) and the trend toward limiting arrows
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<div>I dont usually shoot combat any more for a variety
of reasons. But how many archers are you talking about? When I hear
the term "volley" I tend to think of a hundred or more in the air. But
how many archers are in a battle- 10? 20? I just cannot visualize a
volley of 20 inaccurate arrows being that effective.</div>
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<div>And since the trend is toward shooting slower and
slower arrows (additional foam in addition to the APDs) plus limiting
the number of arrows that can be carried to 15 or so, I would tend to
agree with the archers about "throwing an arrow away" in a volley of
fire where the object is simply to get the enemy to react. If you want
the archers to support such you will have to make it worthwhile for
them to do so in some way. I have always considered 50 arrows to be
the minimum to go into a battle with. That is $150 worth and
considerable time per arrow for those of you that have not considered
such. So why would I want to throw one of those arrows away on a poorly
aimed "volley" that might or might not hit someone that might or might
not call it?</div>
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--- On <b>Mon, 2/16/09, Sir Morgan Buchanan <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:morganbuchanan@hotmail.com"><morganbuchanan@hotmail.com></a></i></b>
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Sir Morgan Buchanan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:morganbuchanan@hotmail.com"><morganbuchanan@hotmail.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] on the use of archers<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</a><br>
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 3:40 PM<br>
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<pre>I've ruminated on this post since I read it, and before I really respond,
I'd like to know if this is is a widely held belief. I want Robin to know I
have every respect for his opinion, but I like to hear from a larger portion of
a group to get a representative sample rather than just take for granted that
someone is speaking for "most" of a group.
Morgan
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>
> Success in a tactic isn't predicated on the kills that each individual
> potential killing shot has, but on the success of the whole attack.?
>
> Oh but if only you know how hard it is for that
one simple lesson to be
learned!!
> ?? Most SCA fighters are basically megalomaniacs and that includes
archers. Trying to get an archer to shoot at an area or a mass of men is met
with a great deal of resistance. Archers like other fighters want to have their
own kills acknowledged. They want to see their arrow hit someone and get credit
for it. It is extremely satisfying phsychologically. Shooting at a group or an
area "FEELS" like you're throwing an arrow away. And that arrow
took time to make and money to buy the materials and once it is used in a battle
you can't get it back. Compare that to a sword or spear shot. Once
you've made the weapon you have almost unlimited shots to take.
> ?? I think your views on using archers are on target but you need to look
more closely at the difficulties in getting the results you want.
> Again back to retirement
> Robin
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