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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>yes , you would have to purchase , or borrow combat
legal equipment that matches ( you aren't allowed to use rapier legal gloves,
with a rapier helm, and heavy missiles ) , no , you do not have
to be heavy or rapier missile combat authorized to shoot in the royal huntsman
tourney, twice a year ( once per reign ) .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>i believe the inclusion was to get more people
involved in combat archery , since it is so popular at gulf war .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>which is also why i believe the requirement to go
to gulf war and fight c/a with the king was originaly added .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>to boost ansteorras numbers at that war
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun<BR>Arthur</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dyrinth@yahoo.com href="mailto:dyrinth@yahoo.com">Paradox</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:40
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
Definition of Royal Huntsman</DIV>
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<DIV>Greetings,</DIV>
<DIV> So if I understand all this correctly, should I
or anyone else that should ever want to compete in a royal huntsman
tourney that does not do any combat; we must go out and amass a number
of useless items and also another useless get authorization
for combat for a single compettion held once a year? </DIV>
<DIV> If this event was based history; wasn't a royal
huntsman the gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the feasts
to the royalty and was not the leader of the archers in combat;
therefore wasn't in a combat situation. </DIV>
<DIV> Curious if combat archery belongs on a combat
field, why does it need to added to an non-combat based shoot?</DIV>
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<DIV>Lucien</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/18/09, Mike
<I><meggiddo@netzero.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Mike <meggiddo@netzero.net><BR>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
Definition of Royal Huntsman<BR>To: "Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra" <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>Date:
Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv452468273>Heilsa,<BR><BR>Actually the cost of a starter
helm can be less than $100.00. There is one web site that listed their
basic helm starting at $70. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Michael
Kettering<BR><BR><BR><BR>Patrick R wrote:
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>While I have a great deal of
respect for combat archers, some archers do not wish to be
combat archers. The expense involved, the necessity to be
combat authorized, the limited number of times you will
participate compared with the cost involved, the frustration
of your hits not being called all add up to reasons some do
not want to be combat archers. The more I read, the more it
seems that the Huntsman is centered around combat archers or
those who do both combat and target. The cost of just the helm
for combat is more than the total start up cost to become
competitive for target archery(someone can get competitive
equipment for less than $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard).
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>It seems we are trying to
exclude the largest group of archers who can compete for a
Kingdom archery title. If the kingdom wants the Huntsman to be
another of the old boy group (those who use big sticks) so be
it, I can live with that but lets call it what it is. </FONT>
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11/18/09, Doug Copley <I><A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
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Doug Copley <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
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[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman<BR>To:
"Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <A
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Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>One thing that might help in these
discussions is a better definition of what is the Royal
Huntsman.<BR><BR>I have seen several people express their
opinion of what the position is and how they view it but it
would help if there was a better description that was posted
so that the entire Kingdom would have the same
understanding.<BR><BR>In my mind, part of the problem is
that we have 3 different groups that are or can be involved
in this and all of this going back-and-forth and saying that
it may, might, could, possibly, include certain types of
shooting is actually bad for the tourney, the title, and the
archery community. I think it makes us look disorganized,
leaderless, and fragmented, all of which is bad.<BR><BR>The
3 groups are:<BR>1. Target archers that ONLY do target
archery. I believe that this is the largest group.<BR>2.
Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe that
this is the smallest group.<BR>3. Archers that do BOTH
combat and target archery. I believe that this group is
right in the middle as far as numbers.<BR><BR>If the
objective is to find a combat archer to go to war with the
King & Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If
the objective is to find the best TA then it should be a TA
Tourney. If the objective is a combination then it should be
a CA / TA Tourney and it should be announced that it will be
and if only one person shows up with all of the gear and is
able to compete in all of it they win.<BR><BR>If we look at
the other martial skills champions they may have some things
that vary and formats that might change slightly but they
also have a number of things that are ALWAYS included and it
is known that they must have certain items in order to
compete. We should organize ourselves and do the same
thing.<BR><BR>We should focus on skill type shooting of
various distances, and specify what is required to compete
for Royal Huntsman. Do we want to say that only TA or only
CA is required or that both are required, what about
shooting period and requiring that you must shoot longbow,
or maybe longbow and crossbow and combat! (No, I am not
kidding, for Chivalric they must fight with multiple weapons
in order to compete so there is precedence).<BR><BR>If the
title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms archery and
that they are supposed to go to war with the King &
Queen and they are supposed to fill the Royal table with
meat then we should require that to compete for the title
you MUST compete with multiple forms of archery and bows. If
the title is different (Huntsman = Hunter = TA ONLY) then we
need to base the tourney on what the definition
is.<BR><BR>My apologies for this being so long but I believe
that this is important to the entire archery community and
should be addressed. I have looked for a clear concise
description that would settle the discussion but was unable
to find one.<BR><BR>When responding, please do not use "Well
normally we have included ...", we need to focus not on what
was done in the past but what should be done and what we
want to do in the future, where do we want this to be in 5
years, what do we want to be accomplished in 3 years, how
can we make this grow?<BR><BR>YIS,<BR>Vincenti da
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