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Heilsa,<br>
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I was only responding to the actually cost of a helm. And not to
whether or not Combat Archery should be included in this shoot. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael Kettering<br>
Combat Archer for the Condottieri <br>
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<div>Greetings,</div>
<div> So if I understand all this correctly, should I or
anyone else that should ever want to compete in a royal huntsman
tourney that does not do any combat; we must go out and amass a number
of useless items and also another useless get authorization for combat
for a single compettion held once a year? </div>
<div> If this event was based history; wasn't a royal
huntsman the gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the feasts to
the royalty and was not the leader of the archers in combat; therefore
wasn't in a combat situation. </div>
<div> Curious if combat archery belongs on a combat field, why
does it need to added to an non-combat based shoot?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Lucien</div>
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From: Mike <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:meggiddo@netzero.net"><meggiddo@netzero.net></a><br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman<br>
To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra"
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Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM<br>
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<div id="yiv452468273">Heilsa,<br>
<br>
Actually the cost of a starter helm can be less than $100.00. There is
one web site that listed their basic helm starting at $70. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael Kettering<br>
<br>
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Patrick R wrote:
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face="Times New Roman" size="3">While I have a great deal of respect
for combat archers, some archers do not wish to be combat archers. The
expense involved, the necessity to be combat authorized, the limited
number of times you will participate compared with the cost involved,
the frustration of your hits not being called all add up to reasons
some do not want to be combat archers. The more I read, the more it
seems that the Huntsman is centered around combat archers or those who
do both combat and target. The cost of just the helm for combat is more
than the total start up cost to become competitive for target
archery(someone can get competitive equipment for less than $165,
bow/arrows/arm/finger guard). </font>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3">It seems we are trying to exclude the
largest group of archers who can compete for a Kingdom archery title.
If the kingdom wants the Huntsman to be another of the old boy group
(those who use big sticks) so be it, I can live with that but lets call
it what it is. </font>
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Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman<br>
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Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:33 AM<br>
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<div class="plainMail">One thing that might help in
these discussions is a better definition of what is the Royal Huntsman.<br>
<br>
I have seen several people express their opinion of what the position
is and how they view it but it would help if there was a better
description that was posted so that the entire Kingdom would have the
same understanding.<br>
<br>
In my mind, part of the problem is that we have 3 different groups that
are or can be involved in this and all of this going back-and-forth and
saying that it may, might, could, possibly, include certain types of
shooting is actually bad for the tourney, the title, and the archery
community. I think it makes us look disorganized, leaderless, and
fragmented, all of which is bad.<br>
<br>
The 3 groups are:<br>
1. Target archers that ONLY do target archery. I believe that this is
the largest group.<br>
2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat archery. I believe that this is
the smallest group.<br>
3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target archery. I believe that this
group is right in the middle as far as numbers.<br>
<br>
If the objective is to find a combat archer to go to war with the King
& Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If the objective
is to find the best TA then it should be a TA Tourney. If the objective
is a combination then it should be a CA / TA Tourney and it should be
announced that it will be and if only one person shows up with all of
the gear and is able to compete in all of it they win.<br>
<br>
If we look at the other martial skills champions they may have some
things that vary and formats that might change slightly but they also
have a number of things that are ALWAYS included and it is known that
they must have certain items in order to compete. We should organize
ourselves and do the same thing.<br>
<br>
We should focus on skill type shooting of various distances, and
specify what is required to compete for Royal Huntsman. Do we want to
say that only TA or only CA is required or that both are required, what
about shooting period and requiring that you must shoot longbow, or
maybe longbow and crossbow and combat! (No, I am not kidding, for
Chivalric they must fight with multiple weapons in order to compete so
there is precedence).<br>
<br>
If the title is for the top Kingdom archer of all forms archery and
that they are supposed to go to war with the King & Queen and they
are supposed to fill the Royal table with meat then we should require
that to compete for the title you MUST compete with multiple forms of
archery and bows. If the title is different (Huntsman = Hunter = TA
ONLY) then we need to base the tourney on what the definition is.<br>
<br>
My apologies for this being so long but I believe that this is
important to the entire archery community and should be addressed. I
have looked for a clear concise description that would settle the
discussion but was unable to find one.<br>
<br>
When responding, please do not use "Well normally we have included
...", we need to focus not on what was done in the past but what should
be done and what we want to do in the future, where do we want this to
be in 5 years, what do we want to be accomplished in 3 years, how can
we make this grow?<br>
<br>
YIS,<br>
Vincenti da Murano<br>
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