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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Again, that
all depends on that particular Crown <</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>yes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>but most including what we are hearing so far for
this one, is bring the c/a equipment weather or not it will be used, which means
that he would have to buy or borrow it , in order to bring it .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> I know
that at least one in the recent past did not involve CA <</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>yep, has also been one king with no travel
requirement as well, unfortunatly for me , on that day h.l. eadric was a better
archer than i was ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>oh , ps since i forgot to add it to the original
reply, you would not need an authorization since the royal huntsman competition
, traditionaly shoots at ikcac type targets , and not at people
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>if however you were to win the competition, and
wish to activly participate in combat archery , then yes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4> you would need a combat archery authorization
as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>sorry for any confusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun<BR>Arthur</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
Definition of Royal Huntsman</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Again, that all depends on that particular Crown. I know
that at least one in the recent past did not involve CA. Some Crowns
really want an archer by their side in battle, for others it's not a high
priority.<BR><BR>Donnchadh<BR><BR>ld.blackmoon wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>yes , you would have to purchase , or borrow
combat legal equipment that matches ( you aren't allowed to use rapier legal
gloves, with a rapier helm, and heavy missiles ) , no , you
do not have to be heavy or rapier missile combat authorized to shoot in the
royal huntsman tourney, twice a year ( once per reign ) .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>i believe the inclusion was to get more people
involved in combat archery , since it is so popular at gulf war
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>which is also why i believe the requirement to
go to gulf war and fight c/a with the king was originaly added
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>to boost ansteorras numbers at that war
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have
Fun<BR>Arthur</FONT></DIV>
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Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman</DIV>
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<DIV>Greetings,</DIV>
<DIV> So if I understand all this correctly, should
I or anyone else that should ever want to compete in a royal
huntsman tourney that does not do any combat; we must go out and
amass a number of useless items and also another
useless get authorization for combat for a single
compettion held once a year? </DIV>
<DIV> If this event was based history; wasn't a royal
huntsman the gamekeeper/hunter and provided the game for the
feasts to the royalty and was not the leader of the archers in
combat; therefore wasn't in a combat situation. </DIV>
<DIV> Curious if combat archery belongs on a combat
field, why does it need to added to an non-combat based shoot?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lucien</DIV>
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Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman<BR>To:
"Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <A
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Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 12:17 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv452468273>Heilsa,<BR><BR>Actually the cost of a starter
helm can be less than $100.00. There is one web site that listed
their basic helm starting at $70. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Michael
Kettering<BR><BR><BR><BR>Patrick R wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>While I have a great deal of
respect for combat archers, some archers do not wish to be
combat archers. The expense involved, the necessity to be
combat authorized, the limited number of times you will
participate compared with the cost involved, the
frustration of your hits not being called all add up to
reasons some do not want to be combat archers. The more I
read, the more it seems that the Huntsman is centered
around combat archers or those who do both combat and
target. The cost of just the helm for combat is more than
the total start up cost to become competitive for target
archery(someone can get competitive equipment for less
than $165, bow/arrows/arm/finger guard). </FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>It seems we are trying to
exclude the largest group of archers who can compete for a
Kingdom archery title. If the kingdom wants the Huntsman
to be another of the old boy group (those who use big
sticks) so be it, I can live with that but lets call it
what it is. </FONT></P>
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[Ansteorra-archery] Definition of Royal Huntsman<BR>To:
"Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <A
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<DIV class=plainMail>One thing that might help in these
discussions is a better definition of what is the Royal
Huntsman.<BR><BR>I have seen several people express
their opinion of what the position is and how they view
it but it would help if there was a better description
that was posted so that the entire Kingdom would have
the same understanding.<BR><BR>In my mind, part of the
problem is that we have 3 different groups that are or
can be involved in this and all of this going
back-and-forth and saying that it may, might, could,
possibly, include certain types of shooting is actually
bad for the tourney, the title, and the archery
community. I think it makes us look disorganized,
leaderless, and fragmented, all of which is
bad.<BR><BR>The 3 groups are:<BR>1. Target archers that
ONLY do target archery. I believe that this is the
largest group.<BR>2. Combat archers that ONLY do combat
archery. I believe that this is the smallest
group.<BR>3. Archers that do BOTH combat and target
archery. I believe that this group is right in the
middle as far as numbers.<BR><BR>If the objective is to
find a combat archer to go to war with the King &
Queen then the Tourney should be a CA Tourney. If the
objective is to find the best TA then it should be a TA
Tourney. If the objective is a combination then it
should be a CA / TA Tourney and it should be announced
that it will be and if only one person shows up with all
of the gear and is able to compete in all of it they
win.<BR><BR>If we look at the other martial skills
champions they may have some things that vary and
formats that might change slightly but they also have a
number of things that are ALWAYS included and it is
known that they must have certain items in order to
compete. We should organize ourselves and do the same
thing.<BR><BR>We should focus on skill type shooting of
various distances, and specify what is required to
compete for Royal Huntsman. Do we want to say that only
TA or only CA is required or that both are required,
what about shooting period and requiring that you must
shoot longbow, or maybe longbow and crossbow and combat!
(No, I am not kidding, for Chivalric they must fight
with multiple weapons in order to compete so there is
precedence).<BR><BR>If the title is for the top Kingdom
archer of all forms archery and that they are supposed
to go to war with the King & Queen and they are
supposed to fill the Royal table with meat then we
should require that to compete for the title you MUST
compete with multiple forms of archery and bows. If the
title is different (Huntsman = Hunter = TA ONLY) then we
need to base the tourney on what the definition
is.<BR><BR>My apologies for this being so long but I
believe that this is important to the entire archery
community and should be addressed. I have looked for a
clear concise description that would settle the
discussion but was unable to find one.<BR><BR>When
responding, please do not use "Well normally we have
included ...", we need to focus not on what was done in
the past but what should be done and what we want to do
in the future, where do we want this to be in 5 years,
what do we want to be accomplished in 3 years, how can
we make this grow?<BR><BR>YIS,<BR>Vincenti da
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