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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>as you point out, timing is the key, that and marshal
skills.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>a " championship tourney doesn't have to take all day,
neither for combat nor for target archery.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>the key is to have other shoots at other times for the
novice and general skill level shooters, and even the top flight shooters
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and be willing to drop anyone not shooting at a certain
level quickly, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think the fastest title shoot I ever saw went from 30
competitors to 2 competitors in 3 rounds, those 2 shot the 4th round ( top
1/2 , top 1/2 , top 2 ) ( less than 2 hours total )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>it was also one of the fastest moving , most exciting
shoots I have ever participated in . if you lost an arrow, you better have
another in your quiver, no chasing arrows until after the tourney, if you didn't
you handicapped yourself to however many arrows you had left ( 6 arrows per
round, unless you had lost some )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>so theoretically yes you could do both tourneys in one day
, and still have other things going on. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>do the combat archery tourney in the morning, list
fighting all day, and target archery in the afternoon. and still have time for
feast , court etc. ; )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and you wouldn't have to limit the combat archery tourney
to just archers battles, since theoretically some of the fighters would want to
warm up before the list fighting began .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .<BR>Arthur</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=xferdesk@yahoo.com href="mailto:xferdesk@yahoo.com">Joey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=j_hodek@yahoo.com
href="mailto:j_hodek@yahoo.com">jim hodek</A> ; <A
title=ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">Archery within the Kingdom
of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea
from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special Tourney Rules***</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">With great
respect to HL Gunnar,<BR><BR>A wonderful idea. But I see a small hiccup with
two different tourneys being held simultaneously. The people that like to
shoot both combat and target would be forced to miss one of the tournaments.
If they were held one after the other then that would make for REALLY long day
(considering how long archery tournaments usually take). And if there is
chivalric going on that day as well, then maybe some CA might have to miss out
due to heavy or light fighting. One day i may get into CA and if there were
two archery tourneys one after another i would be really excited that i got to
participate and learn that much more. But im sure there are some out there
that do not share my enthusiasm and might be a little upset about being on a
field for 6 hours or so, or possibly skipping a competition (if they were held
simultaneously). That being said, trial and error are always a great learning
tool (as long as safety comes first).<BR><BR>If my services are needed, i will
not hesitate<BR><BR>Griffin Fane<BR></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">jim
hodek</SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2/16/2012
8:43 AM</SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Archery
within the Kingdom of Ansteorra</SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: RoyalHuntsman - Special
Tourney Rules***</SPAN><BR><BR>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Well said Arthur. Again I
have seen good pros and cons about my two cents worth of suggesting that two
champions be chosen, one for target and one for CA. Personnally I think it
would only further the Archery community as it gives more word fame. Secondly
if both tournaments were held simultaneously, it would give the crown and
their heirs a chance to see both the target archers who would be
representing them at War and the CA archers who would be supporting them
and our army.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">As far as who stands behind
the thrown, what does it matter! If they were both present, let them switch
off if it is an issue.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Combat Archery is a whole
different animal than target archery, on the field you ARE shooting at moving
targets, you ARE moving yourself to avoid the heavy chivalric fighter whos
duty is to kill the archers and you ARE dodging thos nasty archers on the
other side who are trying to shoot you before you take out too many of
their fighters or archers. A static Ikcac target in a competition is no more
than equal to shooting a crossbow verses a longbow in a target
competition (i.e. different arrow/bolt weight and different aim point)<VAR
id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>. So what I am saying is "Good Job Vincente for making
it more realistic." </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">This Royal Huntsman
tournament is set and has the Crowns approval, so and issues with it are moot.
Let's go on from here and discuss different options or not. Maybe we can
convince all the archers in the kingdom to attend the next Round Table,
or at least a representative from each Region/Barony/Shire and bring our
ideas to the Crown.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Again, my two cents
worth,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">HL Gunnar
haukr</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">NR Missile
Marshal </SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ld.blackmoon
<ld.blackmoon@cox.net><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:42
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] An Idea from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special
Tourney Rules***<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>greetings<BR><BR>which is why it may be
time to look at discussion on separating the two communities .<BR>the combat
archers have spent years trying to grow their community, to get away from the
" target archery " image ,to earn the respect of the heavy weapons
community.<BR>yes , a lot of combat archers come from the target archery
community , but by no means all of them do.<BR>while they have grown greatly
in number,and their level of respect among ansteorran heavy communities has
risen greatly , they are still not often given the acclaim and word fame that
say spearmen , or shield men are accorded.<BR>this seems to have led to the
combat archery community falling back on the target archers for support ,
which puts them right back in the " target archery " image they have been
fighting to avoid.<BR>while they are on the field of war surrounded by
knights, and crowns, and other heavy weapons fighters , they are given ample
opportunities to shine and display their skill ( how many kingdoms have plate
is proof, or face shot only rules ?? )<BR>they deserve all the word fame
anyone can give them, I know I couldn't hit a four inch square at 30 yards on
a moving target with what safety allows for combat archery equipment . as has
been stated , its a whole different skill set, different mind set,
etc.<BR><BR>in ansteorra, the royal huntsman tourney has traditionally been
the only time many crowns set foot on a range, and spend most of one whole day
watching the target archers.<BR>who are called on at war to do things like
team up with another archer,( with out prior practice teaming ) and while one
shoots the balloon, the other has to put an arrow in the picture frame to stop
it from falling after the balloon is hit .......<BR>or spend an entire day
running the ranges, or compete with other kingdoms best archers .<BR><BR>is
there a simple answer ? someone smarter than I may know, but perhaps by
politely discussing the possibilities, we can come to some kind of agreement
on what might work ,and then suggest it to the crowns for further thought
???<BR><BR>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .<BR>Arthur<BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- From: "Adam Edwards" <<A
href="mailto:wilim.penbras@pandora.org"
ymailto="mailto:wilim.penbras@pandora.org">wilim.penbras@pandora.org</A>><BR>To:
"Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <<A
href="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org"
ymailto="mailto:ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:33 AM<BR>Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] An Idea
from an Old Fart was Re: Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney
Rules***<BR><BR><BR>> Hi Guys,<BR>> Most of you
don't know me and that's a wonderful thing. It means the communties
grown nicely since I left the Kingdom. So ... uhm.... BIG Stink
over the RH Tourney.<BR>> <BR>> I know a lot of
people aren't CA authorized and the current format for the Huntsman Tourney is
placing A LOT, like Supreme Value on CA. So... why don't we ask TRH if the CA
round can be assigned point values like any other target round would be.
You know the old 1 point for a wound, 2 points for a disabling wound and 5
points for an outright kill. Well the exact point values are irrelevant just
so long as they're fair.<BR>> <BR>> CA segment can be
included, CA authorization required to compete in that round but not having a
CA authorization doesn't eliminate you it just puts you at a disadvantage
cause you better have enough points already totaled up because you're going to
be sitting out a round. So yeah... the REALLY hot target archers can
still win, but those of us that have spent time off the range shooting at less
static targets get some value placed on that investment.<BR>>
<BR>> I mean sure, Shooting with a helm and gauntlet
and CA blunts is a lovely nod to CA but good god, I know people that spend
their weekends shooting @ cans on strings from 20yds away and why should THEIR
effort in perfecting their shooting be reduced to a static shoots in
Armor.<BR>> <BR>> So yeah, however many rounds of
Static Shooting and a final *Bonus* round of shooting at Moving, Cunning,
Stealthy targets, that shoot back for those people who have invested time in
this other aspect of shooting.<BR>> <BR>> In Service,<BR>>
Wilim Penbras<BR>>
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