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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>yes as with any group, if we don't constantly add new
people, and retain our older people, we will slowly or sometimes not so slowly
die : (</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>you miss the point of making bows as prizes... ( more
period equipment ) they may have a very nice modern bow , but how many of
them have a very nice period selfbow ??? with period arrows ??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>and I personally wouldn't spend the time , energy, and
money , to build a nice laminate or Osage selfbow to give to a novice archer,
I've seen way too many novice " prizes " wind up unused in someone's closet or
garage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>many people are so possessive of " things " that they
would rather they rot in a shed , than be used by someone else : (</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I want to build bows for people that will use them on a
regular basis, as well as appreciate their monetary value ( a decent 40 #
bow with antler or horn tips can go for between $300.00 and $600.00 easily
)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>yea, we have ikcac target practice in conjunction with our
archery and thrown weapons practices. we have a couple ca people that come out
pretty regular for that : )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>yes, too thin on the rings, and it is a pain to keep just
1 growth ring, too thick and it is more likely to break .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>so far I have one ready to polish Osage orange self bow,
and one bamboo backed ipe that I'm still trying to tiller in my copious
quantities of " spare " time ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I tried a light weight hickory bow, but like a lot of the
white woods, it decided that it wanted to helicopter. after untwisting it 3
times, I gave up, and used the wood in the smoker : )</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .<BR>Arthur</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com
href="mailto:tex_yankee2004@yahoo.com">Patrick R</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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of Ansteorra</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal
Rounds at Events</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>While I believe you are
completely correct that we need to be seen more than just the people over
there on the range. At our events I am always there on Friday setting up the
range and helping another half dozen pavilions for the event. It is not so
much the more shooting time for the regular archers that concern me the most.
It is having time to introduce new people to archery who may never have
considered it. We bring our loaner equipment for that exact purpose (sometimes
people use them to compete) and for me it is the most rewarding part of the
event. I grade our success not only in how many we had compete but more
important, how many new people have we turned on to archery. </DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Recently we have been having
some luck having rapier fighters practice at the park the same time we have
archery practice and it is great having people go back and forth. Since we
conduct or practices at a YMCA park we get a lot of walk up interest which
hopefully translates into new archers as well as SCA members. It is much
easier to get new people to go to PIP if they see some of the other things we
do.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Good luck with your bow
building, it takes awhile to be consistent with your bows. I am not sure what
you are using for your wood, be it a cut plank of something more natural but
the wood selection is more important than anything else. I am still learning
and my mentor shows me more and more each time. Some day I will be able to
pick wood half as good as her. I like the idea of gift baskets but unless you
are doing it for a novice event most people who will win are going to have a
better bow then we can give them as well as their own arrows, etc. I do like
the idea if we have a form of group competition the winning group can get a
prize to add to their loaner gear. We need not limit our prize baskets to
events, I like the idea of giving small pieces of equipment to new shooters
who impress us the most. Just some thoughts.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=MsoNormal>Dante</DIV>
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<ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org> <BR><B><SPAN
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[Ansteorra-archery] Royal Rounds at Events<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>greetings </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>your right in that missile activities need to have
better presence at events, but not just by having more shoot
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>the throwers and shooters need to be more visible.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>entering a&s items, working set up / take down /
gate /autocrating / holding offices other than just missile marshal /
wearing missile related garb / etc .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>part of the problem is to a lot of people we are still
seen as " those people over there " not " the missile comunity " or even
" the archers " because we as a community don't go out and do things very
often.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>if your local event or kingdom event doesn't have
archery ( for whatever reason ) we should be jumping on the chance to go and
help as a group ( gate / parking/ clean up / feast / nobles luncheon /
something sponsored by the missile comunity ) if its a colegium event teach
classes on missile related things . be seen as missile participants helping
the local group and the sca. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i started learning to make bows in order to someday
start giving them as prizes in our title shoots. ( i don't think i'm good
enough yet , but i'm getting closer. )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>we as a group are usualy very good at making our own
gear ( quivers, arrows, bolts, arm guards, etc.) why are these not in
more prize baskets ??</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>anyway , i better go gotta get ready for
class</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .<BR>Arthur</FONT></DIV>
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Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Royal Rounds at Events</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv511543631MsoNormal>Last fall we
had our first Royal Round as part of our fall baronial. It helps our Baron
is an archer and wanted to include Royal Rounds in the scoring to determine
the finalists. We were given the ground we needed and it all went well. Of
course that is not the normal since most events have a time schedule that
gets all messed up right after morning court. While I enjoy running
tournaments, the most rewarding thing to me is the open shooting time we
include in our events. With our loaner equipment people will stop by and try
archery for the first time and in many cases be hooked on it for good. We
are lucky to have several marshals as well as visiting marshals who
volunteer to help since the range is running most of the day. We invite
people to complete Royal Rounds during the open shoot and to my surprise it
is not that difficult to incorporate. My point is include an open shoot time
and if you have the land (and some marshalling help) it is fairly easy to
include Royal rounds most of the day. </DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv511543631MsoNormal>As a community
we need to become more of a presence at events. Push it at the gate and
pester the Heralds to push it during the event. Have people walking around
with bows and getting people to come to your open shoot. Since we are the
priority for most events we lose the time battle. Every time court runs long
by either an overly talkative crown, late arrival or hung over we are the
event that suffers. I try to push to have an open shoot time before the
tournament just in case since if we are scheduled to run 10-12 and court was
runs an hour over causing us to start at 11 we are still expected to be
finished by 12 in many cases. I have been to events where the competition
was reduced from two hours to one because of time and another that was cut
short because one shooter was needed to go to the Noble’s lunch (he did not
want to go but they forced the completion to end) and the irony is the event
was a bear pit that ran less than an hour and a half. If we become a
presence we will get more respect and more resources at events. If you are
running an event please put out a notice and ask if there are any marshals
who would like to help you on the range. </DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Kathy Goeke
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Archery within the Kingdom of
Ansteorra <ansteorra-archery@lists.ansteorra.org> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:22
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] Royal Rounds at Events<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Greetings Archers,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>I haven't been active for a while due to other obligations, but
I'd like to offer my perspective and perhaps an idea or two. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Space is always an issue for archery events. We either have
to be way out of the center of activity if we want to "keep to our own
schedule," or be willing to be boxed into the time frames of other events if
we want to be right in the mix of things. Many sites, including
Castleton where I have run/helped run several events, barely have enough
room to adhere to safety protocols. While I'd love to see more of our
archers on the RR list, I would prefer not to have to shoot a short course
and enter zeroes just to get on the list. I don't think that
represents us in the best light. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Archery tournaments, by their very nature, take up a lot of
time. In the best of situations, it's nearly impossible to attend an
event as an archer, and still have time to participate in or spectate events
on the rest of the site. Court may very well be the first time during the
day we get to mingle with everyone else. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Despite our best attempts at trying to format tourneys designed
to integrate players from other venues, it seems that many players are NOT
trying to be jacks of all trades. They attend to fight, or fence, or
shoot, or socialize -- but don't try to do it all in one day. In
BG we've </SPAN><SPAN>offered RR on Sunday mornings and no one
showed up. Let's face it, after the crush of the day that Saturday always
is, who has anything left to give on Sunday, other than clearing site and
getting home to crash.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>I think one of our problems is that the events where you are
most likely to find archery are "all or nothing" outdoor events that include
every form of mayhem we offer in the SCA. Not all Society events are
like this, though. There are events specifically for A&S, Kings
College, dance, feasts, etc. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Why not offer more events that are strictly archery events?
I know the calendar is very full already, but this could have several
advantages:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>1. Ranges and range spaces are available that, while adequate for
archery and RR, wouldn't have to accommodate every manner of pavilion, yurt,
horse trailer, and parking that a full event does. Since the draw
would be mainly for archers, perhaps only a portion of a site would need to
be reserved, rather than an entire park. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>2. Scheduling would be easier as all the other site events
wouldn't have to be coordinated around each other. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>3. Participation could be increased since players wouldn't
have to choose between myriad activities all in one day.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>4. Event could offer workshops on arrow-building, bow
making, shooting techniques and lessons, etc.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Just my two cents,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Katherine</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Former Branch Marshal of Bryn Gwlad</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Not as many being shot: Why?
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<DIV>Several years ago I remember going to an event shooting Archery, doing
thrown weapons, having fun. In the evening we would go to Court and people
would say "Oh, did you you guys just get here?" they would announce the
Archery Champion and people would say "There was Archery?"</DIV>
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<DIV>This was all because we were put as far away from everything as
possible. Another problem with this was that we would rarely get
waterbearing support, when we put people in for awards people would say who
are they and why don't they come to events?</DIV>
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<DIV>Over the last several years we have worked to move Archery and Thrown
Weapons closer to the main activities and Archers are now being seen and
recognized.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now the problem is that since we are up at the front we can't setup the
range and leave it operating all day. We are being given a 2 hour time frame
for adult and 1 hour for children's shoots.</DIV>
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<DIV>We have to be aware of the site layout and the schedule of activities.
Would it be nice to have more Royal Rounds shot . . . Absolutely! Now
we just have to figure out how:-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Maybe moving the range back away from the main center just a little bit
(will this hurt what we have accomplished?)? Allowing some time early Sunday
morning, 9am to 11am? Accepting, that we will not always be able to
shoot RRs at events?</DIV>
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