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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Most of the modern horsebows are made
with a wooden riser, fiberglass limbs covered with leather and
finished with wooden ends. These fiberglass limbs give the same
speed and cast as a horn and wood laminate limb for half or less
the cost. I would allow them.<br>
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On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:<br>
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<div>The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on
this. From the 2013 IKAC Adult Rules (<a
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"Period style recurves and longbows of any material are
allowed. Modern style recurves or longbows with full or
partial center cut risers are not allowed."<br>
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But later in the same section of the rules it also states<br>
"Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can
be documented as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age
bows to English longbows. Construction materials should be
mainly those that were used in period for the making of that
style of bow. Modern materials such as synthetic glues,
finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are allowed
as long as their use does not give an unfair advantage in
performance over period materials. Fiberglass may be used as
a substitute for horn and or sinew in the construction of
period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol,
etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center
cut handles are allowed. This last is important. Many modern
longbows have some center-cut on their handle part (riser in
a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is not allowed in
the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from layers
of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must
have the appearance of a period laminate bow."<br>
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This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly
fiberglass, even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be
used in the Period Division. However a horsebow that is a
laminate of wood and fiberglass is acceptable in the Period
Division, as long as it doesn't look modern.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys
Gravenor <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the
bow is made of doesn't matter so long as the bow has no
center cut in it. I am unable to confirm that due to the
fact I can't seem to get to the IKAC rules for some
reason. I don't suppose you could post the relevant
portion of those rules, could you?</div>
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On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <<a
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<div dir="ltr">This question was in regards to
Period Shooting and Scoring for IKAC and Royal
Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I
would allow them no problem. I also tell people
that I allow carbon and aluminum arrows to be
shot, just not to be scored or to compete for a
title.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at
9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Are you asking for "period" shoots or
for all shoots? For regular shoots most
bows are allowed as long as they have no
stabilizers and or sighting devices. I
would not allow any of the really newer
bow with the magnesium risers etc. I
have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated
wood and fiberglass limbs allowed for
"period" shooting.<br>
A period Magyar or Mongol horsebow ,
due to its laminated layered
construction would have<br>
a distinct advantage over a standard
longbow, the longbow being a self bow.
The horsebow was fatster and had better
cast. So for me I would allow it. I am
not currently an archery marshal in
Ansteorra, however I was Lieutenant
General of archers for the Principality
of Drachenwald and I allowed the
horsebows. Cosmetically they look more
period also than some bows being shot.<br>
That's my take on the question.<br>
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Ld Eric Bentbow<br>
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On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This brings up a good
question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden
riser, no cut out arrow rest, limbs
are covered with leather, BUT the
limbs are fiberglass. Are they
allowed?
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<div>I have not been allowing them
because with the limbs being
fiberglass they are gaining an
unfair advantage over a longbow made
of wood. a 50# fiberglass bow will
shoot fast than a 50# wood limb bow.</div>
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<div>So how is this handled in other
kingdoms? I would prefer that we
move together and try to get the
rules so that they are the same.</div>
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<div>Vincenti</div>
<div>Ansteorra</div>
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30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun <span
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> OK,<br>
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I believe its the symbol that you
want, who really cares how or
where you wear it? Too hot?
Tabard is out. Sash would be hot
too. Dont wear a belt? Tie it
around your arm. You are shooting
too and it would be in your way?
Tie it around your leg. Wear a
dress or a tunic? Make a cool
headband that goes around your
hat. Dont wear a hat? Wear it
around your noggin,
congratulations you are now a
pirate. Dont want that?
OK....obviously you didnt want to
wear one...moving on.<br>
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Simply put there are many many
ways to wear this thing, you have
5 parts of your body to attach it
to aside from your torso that
doesnt involve a lot of cloth
making you overheat or overtly
modifying your persona. Find one
and put it there.<br>
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Now...to make it obvious...Black
with a big ole yellow arrowhead
works quite well if you are
wearing light colors. wearing
darks? Yellow with a big ole
black arrowhead on it. Just dont
wear it to court and the heralds
wont even ask what the heck that
thing is.<br>
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The point of all of this? a plain
black or yellow scarf with a big
ole arrowhead of the opposite
color on it. Easy to make, goes
darn near anywhere you need it to.
Tie it to your bow when its time
to leave so you dont lose it.<br>
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Simple, easy to make, inexpensive<br>
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Enjoy,<br>
<br>
Karl Thorgeirsson<br>
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> To: <a
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> Subject: Re:
[Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash
Idea<br>
><br>
> Belt flags do not always work
since many people do not wear a
belt. All<br>
> of the options have some
problems with them. Some people
want them some<br>
> do not. Each of the options
can either be hot or lost or
forgotten. So<br>
> the overall idea may or may
not be a good work, but I still
see no<br>
> reason not to try it:-)<br>
><br>
> I do see it being more
beneficial at a LARGE event than
at a small one.<br>
> At a small one, everyone
knows everyone and if anyone walks
up that is<br>
> not known, everyone knows it
and should immediately step in to
help<br>
> out.<br>
><br>
> On the larger ones, It could
be a good idea to have a sash or
something<br>
> that is visible from a
distance so that others can point
you out to<br>
> people. Something like this
would be good at Gulf Wars or
maybe a Grand<br>
> Assembly of Archers, which we
are hoping to have again next
year!<br>
><br>
> Vincenti<br>
g<br>
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