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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Most of the modern horsebows are made
      with a wooden riser, fiberglass limbs covered with leather and
      finished with wooden ends.  These fiberglass limbs give the same
      speed and cast as a horn and wood laminate limb for half or less
      the cost.  I would allow them.<br>
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      On 5/30/2013 11:35 AM, David Cordes wrote:<br>
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            <div>The rules as written appear slightly contradictory on
              this.  From the 2013 IKAC Adult Rules (<a
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              "Period style recurves and longbows of any material are
              allowed. Modern style recurves or longbows with full or
              partial center cut risers are not allowed."<br>
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            But later in the same section of the rules it also states<br>
            "Period style bows are defined as: Any style of bow that can
            be documented as used in pre 1600 archery, from Stone age
            bows to English longbows. Construction materials should be
            mainly those that were used in period for the making of that
            style of bow. Modern materials such as synthetic glues,
            finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are allowed
            as long as their use does not give an unfair advantage in
            performance over period materials. Fiberglass may be used as
            a substitute for horn and or sinew in the construction of
            period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol,
            etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center
            cut handles are allowed. This last is important. Many modern
            longbows have some center-cut on their handle part (riser in
            a recurve). If that is the case, the bow is not allowed in
            the Period division. A protuding shelf resulting from layers
            of leather on the handle is allowed, however. The bow must
            have the appearance of a period laminate bow."<br>
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          This implies to me that if the limbs of the bow are wholly
          fiberglass, even if wrapped in leather or similar, it can't be
          used in the Period Division.  However a horsebow that is a
          laminate of wood and fiberglass is acceptable in the Period
          Division, as long as it doesn't look modern.<br>
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        Asbiorn<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2013 11:26, Ld. Cian Rhys
          Gravenor <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:metaldog00@hotmail.com" target="_blank">metaldog00@hotmail.com</a>></span>
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              <div>It was my understanding of the IKAC rules what the
                bow is made of doesn't matter so long as the bow has no
                center cut in it. I am unable to confirm that due to the
                fact I can't seem to get to the IKAC rules for some
                reason. I don't suppose you could post the relevant
                portion of those rules, could you?</div>
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              <div>Cian<br>
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                Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                    On May 30, 2013, at 9:12 AM, "Doug Copley" <<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">This question was in regards to
                        Period Shooting and Scoring for IKAC and Royal
                        Rounds and for Period shoots. For open shoots I
                        would allow them no problem. I also tell people
                        that I allow carbon and aluminum arrows to be
                        shot, just not to be scored or to compete for a
                        title.
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                        <div>Vincenti</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 30, 2013 at
                          9:02 AM, Erwin Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Are you asking for "period" shoots or
                                for all shoots?  For regular shoots most
                                bows are allowed as long as they have no
                                stabilizers and or sighting devices.  I
                                would not allow any of the really newer
                                bow with the magnesium risers etc.  I
                                have seen modern longbows, ie. laminated
                                wood and fiberglass limbs allowed for
                                "period" shooting.<br>
                                A period Magyar or Mongol  horsebow ,
                                due to its laminated layered
                                construction would have<br>
                                a distinct advantage over a standard
                                longbow, the longbow being a self bow. 
                                The horsebow was fatster and had better
                                cast.  So for me I would allow it.  I am
                                not currently an archery marshal in
                                Ansteorra, however I was Lieutenant
                                General of archers for the Principality
                                of Drachenwald and I allowed the
                                horsebows.  Cosmetically they look more
                                period also than some bows being shot.<br>
                                That's my take on the question.<br>
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                                Ld Eric Bentbow<br>
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                                On 5/30/2013 7:30 AM, Doug Copley wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">This brings up a good
                                  question: Modern Horse Bows. Wooden
                                  riser, no cut out arrow rest, limbs
                                  are covered with leather, BUT the
                                  limbs are fiberglass. Are they
                                  allowed?
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                                  <div>I have not been allowing them
                                    because with the limbs being
                                    fiberglass they are gaining an
                                    unfair advantage over a longbow made
                                    of wood. a 50# fiberglass bow will
                                    shoot fast than a 50# wood limb bow.</div>
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                                  <div>So how is this handled in other
                                    kingdoms? I would prefer that we
                                    move together and try to get the
                                    rules so that they are the same.</div>
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                                  <div>Vincenti</div>
                                  <div>Ansteorra</div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May
                                    30, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Chuck Kaun <span
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                                      style="margin:0 0 0
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                                      solid;padding-left:1ex"> OK,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I believe its the symbol that you
                                      want, who really cares how or
                                      where you wear it?  Too hot?
                                       Tabard is out.  Sash would be hot
                                      too.  Dont wear a belt?  Tie it
                                      around your arm.  You are shooting
                                      too and it would be in your way?
                                       Tie it around your leg.  Wear a
                                      dress or a tunic?  Make a cool
                                      headband that goes around your
                                      hat.  Dont wear a hat?  Wear it
                                      around your noggin,
                                      congratulations you are now a
                                      pirate.  Dont want that?
                                       OK....obviously you didnt want to
                                      wear one...moving on.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Simply put there are many many
                                      ways to wear this thing, you have
                                      5 parts of your body to attach it
                                      to aside from your torso that
                                      doesnt involve a lot of cloth
                                      making you overheat or overtly
                                      modifying your persona.  Find one
                                      and put it there.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Now...to make it obvious...Black
                                      with a big ole yellow arrowhead
                                      works quite well if you are
                                      wearing light colors.  wearing
                                      darks?  Yellow with a big ole
                                      black arrowhead on it.  Just dont
                                      wear it to court and the heralds
                                      wont even ask what the heck that
                                      thing is.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The point of all of this?  a plain
                                      black or yellow scarf with a big
                                      ole arrowhead of the opposite
                                      color on it.  Easy to make, goes
                                      darn near anywhere you need it to.
                                       Tie it to your bow when its time
                                      to leave so you dont lose it.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Simple, easy to make, inexpensive<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Enjoy,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Karl Thorgeirsson<br>
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                                      > From: <a
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                                      > To: <a
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                                      > Subject: Re:
                                      [Ansteorra-archery] Marshal Sash
                                      Idea<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > Belt flags do not always work
                                      since many people do not wear a
                                      belt. All<br>
                                      > of the options have some
                                      problems with them. Some people
                                      want them some<br>
                                      > do not. Each of the options
                                      can either be hot or lost or
                                      forgotten. So<br>
                                      > the overall idea may or may
                                      not be a good work, but I still
                                      see no<br>
                                      > reason not to try it:-)<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > I do see it being more
                                      beneficial at a LARGE event than
                                      at a small one.<br>
                                      > At a small one, everyone
                                      knows everyone and if anyone walks
                                      up that is<br>
                                      > not known, everyone knows it
                                      and should immediately step in to
                                      help<br>
                                      > out.<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > On the larger ones, It could
                                      be a good idea to have a sash or
                                      something<br>
                                      > that is visible from a
                                      distance so that others can point
                                      you out to<br>
                                      > people. Something like this
                                      would be good at Gulf Wars or
                                      maybe a Grand<br>
                                      > Assembly of Archers, which we
                                      are hoping to have again next
                                      year!<br>
                                      ><br>
                                      > Vincenti<br>
                                      g<br>
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