[Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Re: [sca-bead] Digest Number 650
Melody
mafaith at cablespeed.com
Tue Nov 2 19:48:55 PST 2004
Please oh please oh please, do not ever try to melt and cast amber.
Amber is a natural resin that took millions of years to fossilize. It
will burn before it melts and you will ruin it. It is very soft and can
be carved and shaped easily. Do not use a dremel except very slowly
because removing the outer skin too rapidly or with too much torque
seems to cause it to crack later. This is not related to keeping it
cool like opal, I used a flat lap machine to shape a lovely nugget. It
was perfect and was kept cool by water falling onto the machine as I
shaped it. About 1/2 to 1 hour later it developed a horrible crack
right down the middle.
As for other types of stone beads (nugget style), most people don't seem
to care that they really were not used in that form very often. Iron
age is still not a time they really wore rough beads. The History of
Beads From 30,000 BC to Present, by Lois Sher Dubin, shows a group of
58 stone beads from 4000 to 2000 BC. None of them are nuggets! A
necklace from 13,000 BC has holes drilled with a bow drills and
abrasive. Thisnecklace consists of water worn pebbles, not shaped
beads. A necklace from 2181-2130 BC consists of amulets of animals,
birds and body parts carved from various stones including amethyst
(about an 8 on a hardness scale). I have shaped amethyst with diamond
abrasive on my modern electric machinery and it is hard to do, very time
consuming! I think people carved and shaped beads because it was time
consuming and difficult and therefor made them more valuable. They even
copied agate beads using glass because they were easier to make (a poor
man's carved stone bead?). Oopps, sorry, soapbox time!
Mistress Dulcinea
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> 1. RE: judging standards
> From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>
> 2. Re: period interest
> From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>
> 3. RE: period interest
> From: "J May" <mnmay at comcast.net>
> 4. RE: period interest
> From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
> 5. RE: period interest
> From: Nan Bradford-Reid <murfnik at earthlink.net>
> 6. RE: period interest
> From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
> 7. Re: period interest
> From: Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>
> 8. Re: period interest
> From: "catpurson at juno.com" <catpurson at juno.com>
> 9. Re: New bead book...
> From: Kitty Descoteau <staarrkatt at yahoo.com>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:43:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: judging standards
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>>Very similar. We HAVE to have 3 judges. If we are
>>lucky enough to have 4
>>we throw out the lowest score, then average the
>>remaining 3.
>>Julei
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>Just a quick note on this one. If we have 4 judges, we
>toss the score that is furthest away from the others.
>It's often, but not always, the lowest score.
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>>Oh, one thing I forgot to mention, there are
>>three judges that critique
>>each entry in a competition their scores are added
>>together then averaged
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>Do they do their critiques individually? Or as a
>panel, so there is some discussion before the judges
>score the entries? Are you provided with the input (so
>you can use their comments for your next project)?
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>Thank you for your time in explaining this system.
>~Vicki
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>Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: period interest
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>>(By the way, we sell beads (pearls, jet, amber, rock
>>crystal and etc.)
>>and no matter how often we tell people that folks
>>didn't usually wear
>>rough or nugget type of beads, but worked them into
>>shapes and carved
>>them, the majority of people buying amber want
>>lumps.)
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>this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons and
>tons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't use
>them in period, what on earth am I going to do with
>them? I have all sorts of stones, and they're so
>pretty!!!
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>~Vicki
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>Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:18:00 -0600
> From: "J May" <mnmay at comcast.net>
>Subject: RE: period interest
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>I believe that you can melt and cast amber. :)
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>Samia
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>-----Original Message-----
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>this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons and
>tons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't use
>them in period, what on earth am I going to do with
>them? I have all sorts of stones, and they're so
>pretty!!!
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>~Vicki
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>Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:21:39 -0500
> From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
>Subject: RE: period interest
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>personal necklaces and gifts?
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>Perhaps gifts to crown/barons/etc?
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>Soffya
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vicki Eldredge [mailto:maedbhawkins at yahoo.com]
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>this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons and
>tons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't use
>them in period, what on earth am I going to do with
>them? I have all sorts of stones, and they're so
>pretty!!!
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>~Vicki
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>Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:36:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nan Bradford-Reid <murfnik at earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: period interest
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>Know anyone with a REALLY earlypersona? (like iron age?)
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>;^)
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>Kate
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeanne <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2004 1:21 PM
>To: sca-bead at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [SCA-bead] period interest
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><this brings up a
>dilemma. I have been given tons and<BR>tons of the nugget type of beads. If they
>didn't use<BR>them in period, what on earth am I going to do with<BR>them? I
>have all sorts of stones, and they're
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>Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:46:27 -0500
> From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
>Subject: RE: period interest
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>Regia-NA? They're Viking............
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>Soffya
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nan Bradford-Reid [mailto:murfnik at earthlink.net]
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:37 PM
>To: sca-bead at yahoogroups.com
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>Know anyone with a REALLY earlypersona? (like iron age?)
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>;^)
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>Kate
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeanne <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2004 1:21 PM
>To: sca-bead at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [SCA-bead] period interest
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><this brings up a
>dilemma. I have been given tons and<BR>tons of the nugget type of beads. If
>they
>didn't use<BR>them in period, what on earth am I going to do with<BR>them? I
>have all sorts of stones, and they're
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> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:51:49 -0600
> From: Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>
>Subject: Re: period interest
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>I feel the reason why they did not use the irregular beads,was that
>drilling the holes were too hard. I have picture of Babaloynian
>princess' headdress that does seem to have some chip type beads in it.
>To me, one of the great tech jumps of history was when someone figured
>out how to take sand or grit and a reed and how to drill a hole in a
>hard stone bead. One of the interesting things about period beads, is
>that the smaller were more valuable. It took more time, more skill and
>wasted more of the base material to cut small beads. I've been told that
>almost 80% of the amber is wasted in turning out an amber bead.
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>Now how did the cat set the computer to do this italic script. I don't
>even know how to do it, or for that matter undo it.
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>Cairenn
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> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:20:30 GMT
> From: "catpurson at juno.com" <catpurson at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: period interest
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>Amber is just petrified tree sap and is a very soft "stone". You can work it with hand equipment so if you have any artistic talent you can carve the rough stuff. If you don't, you can shape it into beads or cabuchons. They don't have to be perfectly round - just smooth them into a generally geometric shapes. If you use a Dremel be very, very careful or you will wipe it out before you realize it. Have fun with them and you could end up with some very artistic, period beads and stones.
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>Lalah
>Never give up, Never surrender
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> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:59:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kitty Descoteau <staarrkatt at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: New bead book...
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>Oh, for the ability to purchase anything we wanted!
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><sigh>
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>Katt
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