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Wed Nov 3 10:17:33 PST 2004

this is the last time i am going to ask before i go to yahoo about this. I do not know who put us on your bead list and do not care but i want ansteorra-chirurgeon at ansteorra.org  remove now from your list. i am both the list owner and kingdom chirurgeon for this and i do not want to have to go to yahoo. i have tried to do this nicely several time but i and done being nice. remove us now!!!!!!!

Melody <mafaith at cablespeed.com> wrote:Please oh please oh please, do not ever try to melt and cast amber. Amber is a natural resin that took millions of years to fossilize. It will burn before it melts and you will ruin it. It is very soft and can be carved and shaped easily. Do not use a dremel except very slowly because removing the outer skin too rapidly or with too much torque seems to cause it to crack later. This is not related to keeping it cool like opal, I used a flat lap machine to shape a lovely nugget. It was perfect and was kept cool by water falling onto the machine as I shaped it. About 1/2 to 1 hour later it developed a horrible crack right down the middle.

As for other types of stone beads (nugget style), most people don't seem to care that they really were not used in that form very often.  Iron age is still not a time they really wore rough beads.  The History of Beads  From 30,000 BC to Present, by Lois Sher Dubin, shows a group of 58 stone beads from 4000 to 2000 BC.  None of them are nuggets!  A necklace from 13,000 BC has holes drilled with a bow drills and abrasive.  Thisnecklace consists of water worn pebbles, not shaped beads.  A necklace from 2181-2130 BC consists of amulets of animals, birds and body parts carved from various stones including amethyst (about an 8 on a hardness scale).  I have shaped amethyst with diamond abrasive on my modern electric machinery and it is hard to do, very time consuming!  I think people carved and shaped beads because it was time consuming and difficult and therefor made them more valuable.  They even copied agate beads using glass because they were easier to make (a poor man's carved stone
 bead?).  Oopps, sorry, soapbox time!
Mistress Dulcinea

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------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything.http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/TJTolB/TM--------------------------------------------------------------------~-> There are 9 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:      1. RE: judging standards           From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>      2. Re: period interest           From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>      3. RE: period interest           From: "J May" <mnmay at comcast.net>      4. RE: period interest           From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>      5. RE: period interest           From: Nan Bradford-Reid <murfnik at earthlink.net>      6. RE: period interest           From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>      7. Re: period interest           From: Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>      8. Re: period interest           From: "catpurson at juno.com" <catpurson at juno.com>      9. Re: New bead book...          
 From: Kitty Descoteau <staarrkatt at yahoo.com>________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1            Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:43:02 -0800 (PST)   From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>Subject: RE: judging standards  

Very similar.  We HAVE to have 3 judges.  If we arelucky enough to have 4we throw out the lowest score, then average theremaining 3.Julei    

Just a quick note on this one. If we have 4 judges, wetoss the score that is furthest away from the others.It's often, but not always, the lowest score.  

Oh,  one thing I forgot to mention,    there arethree judges  that critiqueeach entry in a competition  their scores are addedtogether then averaged    

Do they do their critiques individually? Or as apanel, so there is some discussion before the judgesscore the entries? Are you provided with the input (soyou can use their comments for your next project)?Thank you for your time in explaining this system.~Vicki__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 2 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:58:21 -0800 (PST) From: Vicki Eldredge <maedbhawkins at yahoo.com>Subject: Re: period interest

(By the way, we sell beads (pearls, jet, amber, rockcrystal and etc.) and no matter how often we tell people that folksdidn't usually wear rough or nugget type of beads, but worked them intoshapes and carved them, the majority of people buying amber wantlumps.)    

this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons andtons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't usethem in period, what on earth am I going to do withthem? I have all sorts of stones, and they're sopretty!!!~Vicki		__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:18:00 -0600 From: "J May" <mnmay at comcast.net>Subject: RE: period interestI believe that you can melt and cast amber. :)Samia-----Original Message-----this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons andtons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't usethem in period, what on earth am I going to do withthem? I have all sorts of stones, and they're
 sopretty!!!~Vicki________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:21:39 -0500 From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>Subject: RE: period interestpersonal necklaces and gifts? Perhaps gifts to crown/barons/etc?Soffya-----Original Message-----From: Vicki Eldredge [mailto:maedbhawkins at yahoo.com]this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons andtons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't usethem in period, what on earth am I going to do withthem? I have all sorts of stones, and they're sopretty!!!~Vicki[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 5 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:36:45 -0800 (PST) From: Nan Bradford-Reid <murfnik at earthlink.net>Subject: RE: period interestKnow anyone with
 a REALLY earlypersona? (like iron age?);^)Kate-----Original Message-----From: Jeanne <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>Sent: Nov 1, 2004 1:21 PMTo: sca-bead at yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [SCA-bead] period interest<this brings up a dilemma. I have been given tons and tons of the nugget type of beads. If they didn't use them in period, what on earth am I going to do with them? I have all sorts of stones, and they're ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 6 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:46:27 -0500 From: "Jeanne" <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>Subject: RE: period interestRegia-NA? They're Viking............Soffya-----Original Message-----From: Nan Bradford-Reid [mailto:murfnik at earthlink.net]Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:37 PMTo: sca-bead at yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [SCA-bead] period interestKnow anyone with a REALLY earlypersona? (like iron
 age?);^)Kate-----Original Message-----From: Jeanne <jeanne at atasteofcreole.com>Sent: Nov 1, 2004 1:21 PMTo: sca-bead at yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [SCA-bead] period interest<this brings up adilemma. I have been given tons and tons of the nugget type of beads. Iftheydidn't use them in period, what on earth am I going to do with them? Ihave all sorts of stones, and they'reMembers: 108Category: Top : Arts : Crafts : Jewelry : BeadsAddresses:Post message: sca-bead at egroups.comSubscribe: sca-bead-subscribe at egroups.comUnsubscribe: sca-bead-unsubscribe at egroups.comList owner: sca-bead-owner at egroups.comURL to groups page: http://www.egroups.com/group/sca-bead Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sca-bead/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 
 sca-bead-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 7 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:51:49 -0600 From: Cairenn Day <cpenny at swbell.net>Subject: Re: period interestI feel the reason why they did not use the irregular beads,was thatdrilling the holes were too hard. I have picture of Babaloynianprincess' headdress that does seem to have some chip type beads in it.To me, one of the great tech jumps of history was when someone figuredout how to take sand or grit and a reed and how to drill a hole in ahard stone bead. One of the interesting things about period beads, isthat the smaller were more valuable. It took more time, more skill andwasted more of the base material to cut small beads. I've been told thatalmost 80% of the amber is
 wasted in turning out an amber bead.Now how did the cat set the computer to do this italic script. I don'teven know how to do it, or for that matter undo it.Cairenn________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 8 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 01:20:30 GMT From: "catpurson at juno.com" <catpurson at juno.com>Subject: Re: period interestAmber is just petrified tree sap and is a very soft "stone". You can work it with hand equipment so if you have any artistic talent you can carve the rough stuff. If you don't, you can shape it into beads or cabuchons. They don't have to be perfectly round - just smooth them into a generally geometric shapes. If you use a Dremel be very, very careful or you will wipe it out before you realize it. Have fun with them and you could end up with some very artistic, period beads and stones.LalahNever give up, Never
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