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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have rather enjoyed this discussion. As
a father of 4 (1 son and three daughters) I find myself mixed. While I greatly
appreciate the willingness of people to make sure my children are “protected”
from their actions (or potential actions). The idea that my children can possible
go to someone else and asked and obtain what they need to justify their actions
bothers me. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>As a chirurgeon, I would
not hand them out to a minor no matter what the law states. Even though I might
be “safe” from criminal action, I will still be subject to civil
action (remember OJ, acquitted of criminal murder charges but found responsible
civilly for wrongful death). Also as a Medical professional, (I am a Texas EMT
Intermediate) because of my higher training, I am far more likely to be sued
since someone could interpret my actions as “prescribing” <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>which I am not licensed to do and
therefore practicing medicine without a license. My certification will only
protect me if I am operating in an official capacity of my employment and do
not exceed the direction provided by my Medical Director (the doctor whose
license I operate under). <span class=GramE>Having said that, I am not
protected by my Texas EMT alone and could face criminal and certainly civil
charges.</span> Besides, I am already paying too much in child support to even
consider paying for someone else’s because I choose to give a 15 year old
a condom to have sex at an event <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My understanding of HIPPA laws are that I
am not allowed to disclose any medical information to anyone who does not have
the need (someone directly involved in the patient’s care). <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This does not apply to the parent’s
of minors as I am directly responsible for my children and therefore have the
legal right to access any and all things pertaining to their health care. So by
law I am required to disclose this information to the parents or legal
guardians if so asked, (unless the minor can produce the proper court papers
proving that the have been emancipated). Stepping on the parental rights can be
very tricky and even if you are safe from criminal prosecution will not save
you from civil prosecution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Only my humble opinion,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rurik<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+rurikthered=austin.rr.com@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+rurikthered=austin.rr.com@ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>richard hall<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 06, 2004
7:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
ansteorra-chirurgeon@ansteorra.org; chirurgeonate-ansteorra@yahoogroups.com;
sca-chirurgeon@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Ansteorra-chirurgeon]
And now the best answer possible to a badquestion</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But this only true of the 2 states mentioned as I do
not know about any others except LA where I did live and work as an EMT but do
not admitt very often.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>In TX & OK anybody 14 & over can obtain
any medical care or contraseptive from any medical professional or in the case
of condoms or spremacide even a guidence consular or buy it themselves with the
consent of parents, so u can give them the condom with fear of trouble and u can
not inform the parent due to the law and HIPAA if u have a TX cert or
lisencsure. Yea i know HIPAA does not apply but the laws of TX
and OK do. And also in TX 17 yo and up + 17 yo and up = legal and 14-16+
14-16=legal 13 & under +anything is no way in hell. And the 17 only counts
for girls boys have to be 18 to consent to have sex with an adult 18 and up
hecnce a 17 yo guy can not have sex with an 18 yo girl but and 17 yo girl can
have sex with anybody 17yo & up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>But as shown by Brocc in the forwarded digest it can
open u up to very nasty leagal stuff and hence the SCA also. But the SCA does
have a ruling that protects the SCA. OTCs can be brought by almost anybody
a 14 yo can go in the store and by ASA or APAP but we cannot give OTCs in SCA
to a minor without the parent getting them. SO here is how I would handle
it and suggest maybe u do to if u choose to deal with it at all by carring
condoms. I plan to tell the 15 yo that as a SCA chirurgeon I can not give
them the condom as it is an OTC without their parent or loco parentis/guardian
coming to get it. But I tell the 15 yo to wait a minute while I take off
my baldric and than not an SCA chirurgeon but just a friend and I then ask
what they need it for & if sex, if they understand how to use a condom and
if they understand the risks of sex with or without a condom. I then give
them the condom after I here what would be for me acceptable answer! s or I
explain some stuff if I feel they need some explanation. If the 15yo is still
plans to have sex I give them the condom for the main reason they r going to
have it anyway & I would rather see it safe than not as many have already
stated. But by taking off your baldric the SCA is no longer involed and hence
protected but if u are in TX or OK u r cover by TX & OK law. This does not
apply at GW which is covered by MS law & I have no idea about that state.
But maybe as GW War Chirurgeon I may just as the Autocrat who is a;so a MS
papamedic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is only how I would deal with this and is only a
suggestion as based on the laws in OK & TX. And if U do not want to deal
with this than either do carry condoms or do not let people know u carry them
and save them for use by friends & yourself. And yes u can refuse by
saying that u r out or do not carry them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> And as this ? has taken us out of the SCA to be
able to deal with it I will not sign as Herr Arkell MC KC Ansteorra but as
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Arkell who happens to be an SCA member & is
Richard Hall LP, RN<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>richard hall
<arkellvomcophus@yahoo.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Enjoy this ? asked of me as todays fun challange.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hope this is o.k. to put it this way ...If you think
it needs changing ...please do
so...
You have a young man ,age ,around 15 yrs.old ,and he ask you for a comdom. Do
you give to him or not ? Do you talk to him about "why" he wants
it..How are we as Chirurgeon to handal this ? This is after all a minor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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