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<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Xene
here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
glad you all have calmed down. I don't see where anything important has changed
except for one ombudsman's misunderstanding about what Standard and Advanced
First Aid is according to the law in the US. I don't see where she has any
understanding of international law concerning first aid,
either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
names and titles of ranks aren't important. I have had people (who weren't
Peers) ask me about the title "Master Chirurgeon". I sit in two different
peerage circles and haven't heard any problem with the title, but if it puts
anybody's knickers in a wad, then change the names. It doesn't matter, because
it just designates a level of expertise within the SCA. Nothing
more.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>SCA
funds (as far as I know) have not been used to buy anything in my kit, unless it
was to replace ace wraps, bandaids, or rubber gloves. That's about
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I've
never received funds for a kit from any branch of the SCA.I donate my work and
my supplies to my friends in the SCA who need them. I keep OTCs in my purse or
my tent and when my friend or spouse needs one, I tell them where they can find
it and take it. I don't dispense pharmaceuticals.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
you need to be carefull with now is over-reacting. You have a very level-headed
ally, known as Caelin, who will work to calm the ruffled feathers. He is doing a
good job as the Deputy Society Chirurgeon (or whatever it's called
now).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Please.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Don't
stop what you are doing, don't resign from your office, and don't give up.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If you
act like hot-headed EMT wannabes, the detractors of the chirurgeonate will just
point and say "See... See... I told you they were a liability to the
SCA!".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
have proper chains of command in the SCA. Use them. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
have my permission to forward my part of the e-mail.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In
Service to Crown and Kingdom.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Mistress Xene Theriane, OL, OP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Master
Chirurgeon, ret.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379084903-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Seneschal, Canton of Lindenwood</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+xaraxene=comcast.net@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+xaraxene=comcast.net@ansteorra.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Carolle M. Cox<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005
12:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B> crandalltwo-scalists@yahoo.com; 'Kingdom of Ansteorra
Chirurgeon discussions'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Fwd: Re:
[KC] Fwd: Please posttothechirurgeon's list<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Thanks,
Crandall. Your usual slightly sarcastic take on things has woken me
up.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Back into
the bag go the things I am trained to use. This bag is my personal
property. Nothing within it belongs to the "Chirurgeon's Offfice",
whatever that is. Personally, I hope it's the outhouse, so we can all go
there when we have a need instead of 'holding it' for an entire
List!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>My
training, every second of it, is also my own. It was paid for by me or
some generous friend who thought I'd be happy to receive it.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Worry not,
Ansteorra. I don't give a rip What you call me; Master Chirurgeon Gerita
della Mara is just one of the appellations I have. I happen to like this
one; it humbles me that other Chirurgeons thought I had earned it.
Humble is always good. But if someone is uncomfortable with "Master",
then so be it. All they need to do is yell "help" or "chirurgeon" and
I'll be right there, bag and all. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>If anyone
needs supplies, I as a human being will either share mine or work with those
who can get donations, or head up a 'gang buy'. This has absolutely no
bearing on Gerita as an at-large warranted officer of the Kingdom of Ansteorra
in the Society for Creative Anachronism. It is Carolle; just Carolle being
what the gods decreed she should be.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Annalies is
very right about one thing here: we, beginning at least with HE Caelin, have
worked very hard to give Ansteorran "wanna-bes" solid training and encourage
them to join us and work among us. With the efforts of several
Chirurgeons (is anyone taking notes for the next Master vote?), among them
Caelin (already a Master), Arkell (already a Master <smirk>), Caley,
Cynthia, some weird dude from Northern Region (also already a Master), and a
few others, our guild has grown. We are among the largest in the known
world - in fact, by now we may well be the largest. We work hard.
We give up countless hours of events and wars to make certain that everyone is
safe, and wounds are bound up before they get the chance to be infected. We
are among the best-trained, and with y'all always screeching for more
training, I don't see that changing any time soon. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>We are
Ansteorran Chirurgeons, we know our jobs, we do them well, and nothing we do
or don't do is any more likely to 'earn' a lawsuit than yonder marshal on the
field as long as we stick to our mandate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I still
hope this kerfluffle goes the way of pickle barrel armor. They both have
an odd aroma.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=678353118-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>G</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.japanesechinrescue.org/">www.japanesechinrescue.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com/">http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>People are like stained glass
windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when darkness
sets in, their beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within. --
Elizabeth Kübler-Ross</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Crandall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005
10:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ansteorra-chirurgeon@ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Fwd: Re: [KC] Fwd: Please post tothechirurgeon's
list<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>The BOD cannot tell me what I can or cannot bring to
events. Whether it is a level of knowledge or materials that save
lives. </DIV>
<DIV>Only legal considerations or site owners can state that certain items
are considered in bad taste or will get me in jail. And thus should not be
present. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are those in the Chirurgeonate who save lives. We are trained to
react. We will use the tools that are appropriate to the situation. We will
save lives. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Their policy states: </DIV>
<DIV>"This policy shall be supported by not allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's
office to have in its possession advanced medical equipment<BR>such as
medications, IVs, oxygen tanks, nebulizers, defibrillators, etc."</DIV>
<DIV>(Their misunderstanding of the term: "advanced medical equipment" shows
their ignorance.) </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Fine with me. The Chirurgeon's office will not have them <U>in their
possession</U>. </DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The BOD has not been trained in the Good Samaritan laws. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>They also state: </DIV>
<DIV>"None of what is precluded above applies to what an<BR>individual with
advanced training may decide to do under his or her own<BR>license and with
their own equipment. The SCA has no authority over<BR>personal supplies."
</DIV>
<DIV>Never will my personal supplies will be in the Chirurgeon's office
possession. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Chirgeonate attempted to use medieval terms to identify honors
within the system. Making an attempt at authenticity is required by that
same BOD. Heaven forbid that those who are Peers would feel threatened by
our bureauocracy. Now, "Good, Better, Best" as titles would imply more than
we want. </DIV>
<DIV>I suggest the following: </DIV>
<DIV>"Wanna Be" for those in training, both mundane and SCA procedures.
</DIV>
<DIV>"Got A Warrant" for those who their fellows figure are trained. </DIV>
<DIV>"Atta Boy" for those who their fellows think they did really good for a
long time. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or along the same requirements:</DIV>
<DIV>Serf</DIV>
<DIV>Fleam</DIV>
<DIV>Ol' Bag<BR></DIV>
<DIV>What I do want to happen is that the members of the misguided legal
committee and their litigious families please identify themselves so that I
know when I am treating them. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Crandall, Chirurgeon, Olde Foole</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Carolle M. Cox" <hpockets@verizon.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=697483313-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I'm
sorry. What I see is an attempt by people who have no clue about
first aid, pre-hospital care, or, g--forbid, true emergency management to
manage and control people who do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=697483313-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=697483313-09112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I'm a
rather opinionated floozey, and I know it, but who cares at all what
'people outside the SCA' think about what we call ourselves or each
other? Gosh, if they're going to freak over 'master chirurgeon',
what will they do about 'King'?? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=697483313-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005>This puts me in mind of a recent incident in
which Chirurgeons of all 'stripes' responded to a possible heart attack
call. That man is alive, wandering around SCA events today, because
the responders applied every skill, prayer, and bit of expertise they had,
and EMS was alerted quickly. Who on the BOD or anywhere else would
like to go to that man's widow and tell her that, yes, we did have EMTs
and Paramedics on site with medical-control permission to act; yes, we did
have aspirin; but we're sorry to report that we can only do basic first
aid, and so her life-long partner is dead? Right. At that point, our
Legal Committee would have a whole lot more to worry about than 'master
chirurgeon'!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005>However. In time, this situation will get
worked out. Every silly idea we as a Society have ever had has been
worked out with the passage of time (witness pickle barrels). I,
personally, will strip my kit of everything I am trained to use that would
lead me to overstep basic first aid, leave the gold stripe on my baldric,
and soldier on until things come to their senses.
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005>May Hippocrates protect us all
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=697483313-09112005>Gerita</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=697483313-09112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.japanesechinrescue.org/">www.japanesechinrescue.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com/">http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>People are like stained glass
windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when
darkness sets in, their beauty is revealed only if there is a light from
within. -- Elizabeth Kübler-Ross</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>richard hall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09,
2005 12:43 AM<BR><B>To:</B> chirurgeon@att.net; chirurgeon@sca.org;
kc@sca.org; chirurgeonate-ansteorra@yahoogroups.com;
ansteorra-chirurgeon@ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Fwd: Re: [KC] Fwd: Please post to thechirurgeon's
list<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ok.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I can see where they
are coming from, to an extent. The BOD is all about covering
their ass. You and I both know that lawsuits have not happened
at the rate that they COULD have happened. A lot of that is due
to the waivers that are in place and due to the fact that the
Chirurgeonate as a whole has been good at keeping "treatment" to a
minimum and by providing good documentation. But, I think that
they need to realize that people will sue for NOT giving treatment
just as fast as for giving treatment. The AED issue is BS.
If airports, malls, police cars, etc. have them for "John Doe" to use,
why can't we? They are virtually idiot proof. Try to
explain why one was NOT used when available to a grieving spouse
who just lost their husband/wife to a massive MI that could have been
treated with early defib. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I can also see the
logic (though I don't agree with it) behind the name change. In
a way it does <U>imply</U> more training than others, even if we know
the difference. But rarely does anyone we treat at events even
know who is apprentice/Journeyman/Master anyway!! They just see
the red baldric and couldn't care the difference in the "racing
stripes."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> And it's BULLSHIT
about changing the CHIRURGEON GENERAL's name to something else.
WHY? Did somebody get jealous because our name is different than
everybody else's? Jeez Louise. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You're right. Maybe I don't want to
be KC after all. And you can tell Eleanor I said that!
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=arkellvomcophus@yahoo.com
href="mailto:arkellvomcophus@yahoo.com">richard hall</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=xaraxene@comcast.net
href="mailto:xaraxene@comcast.net">xaraxene@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=medicfem@yahoo.com
href="mailto:medicfem@yahoo.com">caley/penny E</A> ; <A
title=ladydds@verizon.net href="mailto:ladydds@verizon.net">Sue
Delk</A> ; <A title=chrisl@vvm.com
href="mailto:chrisl@vvm.com">chrisl@vvm.com</A> ; <A
title=hpockets@verizon.net
href="mailto:hpockets@verizon.net">Carolle M. Cox</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 08,
2005 2:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: [KC] Fwd: Please
post to the chirurgeon's list</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>At this time this is FYI as the JKCs r refusing to put this out
until we get some answers that we can give to all. so this goes
nowhere Yet!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Arkell<BR><BR><B><I>B Carlock <<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:31:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: B Carlock <<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:kc@sca.org">kc@sca.org</A>, "<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>>,<BR>Jim
Carlock <<A
href="mailto:j-carlock@att.net">j-carlock@att.net</A>>, Galen
Ockham <<A
href="mailto:galen@chirurgeon.org">galen@chirurgeon.org</A>>,<BR>Richard
Threlkeld <<A
href="mailto:rjt@softwareinnovation.com">rjt@softwareinnovation.com</A>>,<BR>Therasia
von Tux <<A
href="mailto:no1home@onewest.net">no1home@onewest.net</A>><BR>CC:
<BR>Subject: [KC] Fwd: Please post to the chirurgeon's
list<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hello to all KCs. Ms. Cady, our Board Ombudsman,
has sent this to me, requesting it be sent out to all
Chirurgeons. I am sending it to you verbatim, and please
forward it to your kingdom lists in its entirety. If you
have concerns, comments, questions, ideas, please contact
me at <A
href="mailto:chirurgeon@sca.org">chirurgeon@sca.org</A> .
Ms. Cady has also included her directors address. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks, </DIV>
<DIV>Eleanor</DIV>
<DIV>SC</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unto the Chirurgeons of the SCA, greetings.<BR><BR>The
following will come to you from the Society Chirurgeon's office,
but<BR>the Board wants to offer some explanation for the
changes.<BR><BR>The structure of the Chirurgeon's office needs to
be more in line with the<BR>other offices of the SCA. The titles
presently used are somewhat confusing<BR>and inaccurate. For
example, the term 'Chirurgeon General,' while clever,<BR>is
inconsistent with other Society officers' titles (such as
Society<BR>Marshal). It also implies authority over more than the
basic first aid<BR>that the SCA provides. Additionally, the titles
of Apprentice, Journeyman<BR>and Master have connotations of a
level of skill that the Legal Committee<BR>is concerned pose
significant legal risk to the SCA. It would not be<BR>unreasonable
for people outside of the SCA to assume that a
Master<BR>Chirurgeon has a higher level of medical training than a
Journeyman or<BR>Apprentice, which is not necessarily the c! ! !
ase. Also, the term 'Master'<BR>within the SCA usually indicates
possession of a peerage-- confusion that<BR>is not necessary.
These are changes in name only. What the Society<BR>Chirurgeon's
office shall use for a new ranking system is to
be<BR>determined.<BR><BR>Remember that the SCA only provides first
aid. Any advanced medical care<BR>is not in the purview of the SCA
and will not be performed as an official<BR>function of any office
of the SCA. Today, we live in a world with easy<BR>access to
advanced emergency medical care that did not exist when the
SCA<BR>started. The Chirurgeon's Handbook states the purpose of
the Chirurgeons<BR>clearly. We need to be careful not to promote
the perception that the SCA<BR>provides any care beyond what is
required to earn a basic first aid<BR>certification. This policy
shall be supported by not allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's office to
have in its possession advanced medical equipment<BR>such as
medications, IVs, oxygen tanks, nebulizers, defibrillators,
etc.<BR>The problem is not only in using these item, but in
storing, maintaining,<BR>cleaning and supplies for them. This is
not allowed under the auspices of<BR>the SCA, covered by
insurance, or Good Samaritan protection as individuals<BR>using
them may not be trained or certified in their use. Having such
items<BR>present in the Chirurgeon's area of operations
significantly increases our<BR>legal risk and creates a perception
that the SCA provides a higher level<BR>of medical care than we
are willing or able to provide.<BR><BR>The Board of Directors
recognizes and applauds the volunteers who work<BR>within the
Chirurgeonate. You are skilled, well-meaning and
dedicated<BR>people. Many of you have advanced training and
certification. The Board<BR>appreciates that you donate your time
and skills to make the SCA a safer<BR>place to play. None of what
is precluded above applies to what an<BR>individual with advanced
training may decide to do under his or her own<BR>license and with
their own equipment. The SCA has no authority over<BR>personal
supplies. However, we do have authority over the
Chirurgeon's<BR>office, and within the purview of the
Chirurgeonate, the SCA only provides<BR>basic first aid. If an
injured participant requires more than basic first<BR>aid, they
must be referred to a medical facility. Chirurgeons who do
more<BR>than that do so at their own risk, and not as an officer
of the SCA. All<BR>of our large events should have paramedics and
transport present.<BR><BR>The Society Chirurgeon is currently
working on these changes and will pass<BR>along further
information. The Chirurgeon's Handbook will be revised
to<BR>reflect this. Again, these changes are being implemented out
of necessity<BR>to decrease risk to the SCA and its membership as
a whole. This does not<BR>diminish the Chirurgeons in any way; you
are very important in making the<BR>SCA events safer. This has
been a long discussion with the Legal Committ! ee<BR>and is not a
capricious change.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR><BR>Dena Cady -
Director, SCA, Inc.<BR>Ombudsman to the Chirurgeon's
office<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
href="mailto:DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG">DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG</A><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>From:
"drcady" <drcady@cox.net><BR>To: <chirurgeon@sca.org>,
<Bethcarlock4@sbcglobal.net><BR>Subject: Please post to the
chirurgeon's list<BR>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:06:32 -0700<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Unto the Chiriurgeons of the SCA, greetings.<BR><BR>The
following will come to you from the Society Chirurgeon's office,
but<BR>the Board wants to offer some explanation for the
changes.<BR><BR>The structure of the Chirurgeon's office needs to
be more in line with the<BR>other offices of the SCA. The titles
presently used are somewhat confusing<BR>and inaccurate. For
example, the term 'Chirurgeon General,' while clever,<BR>is
inconsistent with other Society officers' titles (such as
Society<BR>Marshal). It also implies authority over more than the
basic first aid<BR>that the SCA provides. Additionally, the titles
of Apprentice, Journeyman<BR>and Master have connotations of a
level of skill that the Legal Committee<BR>is concerned pose
significant legal risk to the SCA. It would not be<BR>unreasonable
for people outside of the SCA to assume that a
Master<BR>Chirurgeon has a higher level of medical training than a
Journeyman or<BR>Apprentice, which is not necessarily the ! !
case. Also, the term 'Master'<BR>within the SCA usually indicates
possession of a peerage-- confusion that<BR>is not necessary.
These are changes in name only. What the Society<BR>Chirurgeon's
office shall use for a new ranking system is to
be<BR>determined.<BR><BR>Remember that the SCA only provides first
aid. Any advanced medical care<BR>is not in the purview of the SCA
and will not be performed as an official<BR>function of any office
of the SCA. Today, we live in a world with easy<BR>access to
advanced emergency medical care that did not exist when the
SCA<BR>started. The Chirurgeon's Handbook states the purpose of
the Chirurgeons<BR>clearly. We need to be careful not to promote
the perception that the SCA<BR>provides any care beyond what is
required to earn a basic first aid<BR>certification. This policy
shall be supported by not allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's office to
have in its possession advanced medical equipment<BR>such as
medications, IVs, oxygen tanks, nebulizers, defibrillators,
etc.<BR>The problem is not only in using these item, but in
storing, maintaining,<BR>cleaning and supplies for them. This is
not allowed under the auspices of<BR>the SCA, covered by
insurance, or Good Samaritan protection as individuals<BR>using
them may not be trained or certified in their use. Having such
items<BR>present in the Chirurgeon's area of operations
significantly increases our<BR>legal risk and creates a perception
that the SCA provides a higher level<BR>of medical care than we
are willing or able to provide.<BR><BR>The Board of Directors
recognizes and applauds the volunteers who work<BR>within the
Chirurgeonate. You are skilled, well-meaning and
dedicated<BR>people. Many of you have advanced training and
certification. The Board<BR>appreciates that you donate your time
and skills to make the SCA a safer<BR>place to play. None of what
is precluded above applies to what an<BR>individual with advanced
training may decide to do under his or her own<BR>license and with
their own equipment. The SCA has no authority over<BR>personal
supplies. However, we do have authority over the
Chirurgeon's<BR>office, and within the purview of the
Chirurgeonate, the SCA only provides<BR>basic first aid. If an
injured participant requires more than basic first<BR>aid, they
must be referred to a medical facility. Chirurgeons who do
more<BR>than that do so at their own risk, and not as an officer
of the SCA. All<BR>of our large events should have paramedics and
transport present.<BR><BR>The Society Chirurgeon is currently
working on these changes and will pass<BR>along further
information. The Chirurgeon's Handbook will be revised
to<BR>reflect this. Again, these changes are being implemented out
of necessity<BR>to decrease risk to the SCA and its membership as
a whole. This does not<BR>diminish the Chirurgeons in any way; you
are very important in making the<BR>SCA events safer. This has
been a long discussion with the Legal Committ! ee<BR>and is not a
capricious change.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR><BR>Dena Cady -
Director, SCA, Inc.<BR>Ombudsman to the Chirurgeon's
office<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
href="mailto:DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG">DIRECTORS</A></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>KC
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