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<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Jaime, last
year was not unique. The Chirurgeonate has been called out several times
at Gulf to handle situations that were, to say the least, a bit dicey. Add
to that the rest of the major wars in the known world, and you can get a slight
case of 'puffed-chest syndrome'. Chirurgeons have served well,
wherever we've gone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>And I intend
to continue that tradition of service. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>It does occur
to me that perhaps we should treat the main players in this little drama to a
real first aid/CPR class. Things have changed since 1974 and the
precordial thump.......</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gerita</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=915582314-10112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>still DK/A,
and still gonna nag til y'all get your annual reports in!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="mailto:DFWchinlovers@yahoogroups.com">DFWchinlovers@yahoogroups.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://www.japanesechinrescue.org/">www.japanesechinrescue.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com/">http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>People are like stained glass
windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when darkness
sets in, their beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within. --
Elizabeth Kübler-Ross</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Joseph Percer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:34
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Kingdom of Ansteorra Chirurgeon discussions';
sca-chirurgeon@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Ansteorra-chirurgeon]
Fwd: Re: [KC] Fwd: Please posttothechirurgeon's list<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You
know,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I really have to
agree with Crandall on this one… </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Furthermore, I don’t
care what ‘rank’ I hold in the Chirurgeon’s guild… I could be Apprentice
Jester for all I care… All I give a damn about, is having equipment on hand,
to do what I was trained to do, and making sure that people know first
response is available. If I’m trained to use Oxygen and an AED, well then
dang-it, if the guy is in need of it, I’m going to use it and face the
consequences later…. I’m not going to sit back and watch someone die, because
Corporate said so… Maybe someone does need to remind the legal committee about
what happened at Gulf Wars…</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jayme Dominguez del
Valle</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shire of
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seawinds</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">,
Ansteorra</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Journeyman
Chirurgeon</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Crandall<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:18
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon@ansteorra.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Fwd:
Re: [KC] Fwd: Please post tothechirurgeon's list</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The BOD cannot tell me what I can or
cannot bring to events. Whether it is a level of knowledge or materials
that save lives. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Only legal considerations or site owners
can state that certain items are considered in bad taste or will get me in
jail. And thus should not be present. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There are those in the Chirurgeonate who
save lives. We are trained to react. We will use the tools that are
appropriate to the situation. We will save lives. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Their policy states:
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"This policy shall be supported by not
allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's office to have in its possession advanced medical
equipment<BR>such as medications, IVs, oxygen tanks, nebulizers,
defibrillators, etc."</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(Their misunderstanding of the term:
"advanced medical equipment" shows their ignorance.) </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fine with me. The Chirurgeon's office
will not have them <U>in their possession</U>. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The BOD has not been trained in the Good
Samaritan laws. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">They also state: </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"None of what is precluded above applies
to what an<BR>individual with advanced training may decide to do under his or
her own<BR>license and with their own equipment. The SCA has no authority
over<BR>personal supplies." </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Never will my personal supplies will
be in the Chirurgeon's office possession. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Chirgeonate attempted to use medieval
terms to identify honors within the system. Making an attempt at authenticity
is required by that same BOD. Heaven forbid that those who are Peers would
feel threatened by our bureauocracy. Now, "Good, Better, Best" as titles would
imply more than we want. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I suggest the following:
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Wanna Be" for those in training, both
mundane and SCA procedures. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Got A Warrant" for those who their
fellows figure are trained. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Atta Boy" for those who their fellows
think they did really good for a long time. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Or along the same
requirements:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Serf</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Fleam</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ol' Bag</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">What I do want to happen is that the
members of the misguided legal committee and their litigious families please
identify themselves so that I know when I am treating them.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Crandall, Chirurgeon, Olde
Foole</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">"Carolle M. Cox"
<hpockets@verizon.net></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm
sorry. What I see is an attempt by people who have no clue about first
aid, pre-hospital care, or, g--forbid, true emergency management to manage
and control people who do.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm a
rather opinionated floozey, and I know it, but who cares at all what 'people
outside the SCA' think about what we call ourselves or each other?
Gosh, if they're going to freak over 'master chirurgeon', what will they do
about 'King'?? </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This
puts me in mind of a recent incident in which Chirurgeons of all 'stripes'
responded to a possible heart attack call. That man is alive,
wandering around SCA events today, because the responders applied every
skill, prayer, and bit of expertise they had, and </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">EMS</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> was alerted
quickly. Who on the BOD or anywhere else would like to go to that
man's widow and tell her that, yes, we did have EMTs and Paramedics on site
with medical-control permission to act; yes, we did have aspirin; but we're
sorry to report that we can only do basic first aid, and so her life-long
partner is dead? Right. At that point, our Legal Committee would have
a whole lot more to worry about than 'master
chirurgeon'!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However. In
time, this situation will get worked out. Every silly idea we as a
Society have ever had has been worked out with the passage of time (witness
pickle barrels). I, personally, will strip my kit of everything I am
trained to use that would lead me to overstep basic first aid, leave the
gold stripe on my baldric, and soldier on until things come to their
senses. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">May
Hippocrates protect us all </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gerita</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="mailto:DFWchinlovers@yahoogroups.com">DFWchinlovers@yahoogroups.com</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.japanesechinrescue.org/">www.japanesechinrescue.org</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com/">http://carollesknitting.blogspot.com</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">People are like stained glass
windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when darkness
sets in, their beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within. --
Elizabeth Kübler-Ross</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-chirurgeon-bounces+hpockets=verizon.net@ansteorra.org]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>richard
hall<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Wednesday, November 09,
2005</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">12:43 AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> chirurgeon@att.net;
chirurgeon@sca.org; kc@sca.org; chirurgeonate-ansteorra@yahoogroups.com;
ansteorra-chirurgeon@ansteorra.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Ansteorra-chirurgeon] Fwd:
Re: [KC] Fwd: Please post to thechirurgeon's list</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I can see
where they are coming from, to an extent. The BOD is all about
covering their ass. You and I both know that lawsuits have not
happened at the rate that they COULD have happened. A lot of that
is due to the waivers that are in place and due to the fact that the
Chirurgeonate as a whole has been good at keeping "treatment" to a
minimum and by providing good documentation. But, I think that
they need to realize that people will sue for NOT giving treatment just
as fast as for giving treatment. The AED issue is BS. If
airports, malls, police cars, etc. have them for "John Doe" to use, why
can't we? They are virtually idiot proof. Try to explain why
one was NOT used when available to a grieving spouse who just lost
their husband/wife to a massive MI that could have been treated with
early defib. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I can
also see the logic (though I don't agree with it) behind the name
change. In a way it does <U>imply</U> more training than others,
even if we know the difference. But rarely does anyone we treat at
events even know who is apprentice/Journeyman/Master anyway!! They
just see the red baldric and couldn't care the difference in the "racing
stripes."</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> And it's
BULLSHIT about changing the CHIRURGEON GENERAL's name to something
else. WHY? Did somebody get jealous because our name is
different than everybody else's? Jeez Louise.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You're
right. Maybe I don't want to be KC after all. And you can
tell Eleanor I said that! </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-----
Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=arkellvomcophus@yahoo.com
href="mailto:arkellvomcophus@yahoo.com">richard hall</A>
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=xaraxene@comcast.net
href="mailto:xaraxene@comcast.net">xaraxene@comcast.net</A> ; <A
title=medicfem@yahoo.com href="mailto:medicfem@yahoo.com">caley/penny
E</A> ; <A title=ladydds@verizon.net
href="mailto:ladydds@verizon.net">Sue Delk</A> ; <A
title=chrisl@vvm.com href="mailto:chrisl@vvm.com">chrisl@vvm.com</A> ;
<A title=hpockets@verizon.net
href="mailto:hpockets@verizon.net">Carolle M. Cox</A>
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:02 PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Fwd: [KC] Fwd: Please post to the chirurgeon's
list</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At this
time this is FYI as the JKCs r refusing to put this out until we get
some answers that we can give to all. so this goes nowhere
Yet!!!!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Arkell<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">B Carlock <<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Date:
Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:31:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: B Carlock <<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>To:
<A href="mailto:kc@sca.org">kc@sca.org</A>, "<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>"
<<A
href="mailto:bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net">bcarlock4@sbcglobal.net</A>>,<BR>Jim
Carlock <<A
href="mailto:j-carlock@att.net">j-carlock@att.net</A>>, Galen
Ockham <<A
href="mailto:galen@chirurgeon.org">galen@chirurgeon.org</A>>,<BR>Richard
Threlkeld <<A
href="mailto:rjt@softwareinnovation.com">rjt@softwareinnovation.com</A>>,<BR>Therasia
von Tux <<A
href="mailto:no1home@onewest.net">no1home@onewest.net</A>><BR>CC:
<BR>Subject: [KC] Fwd: Please post to the chirurgeon's
list</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hello to all KCs. Ms. Cady, our
Board Ombudsman, has sent this to me, requesting it be sent out to
all Chirurgeons. I am sending it to you verbatim, and please
forward it to your kingdom lists in its entirety. If you have
concerns, comments, questions, ideas, please contact me at <A
href="mailto:chirurgeon@sca.org">chirurgeon@sca.org</A> . Ms.
Cady has also included her directors address.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks,
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Eleanor</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">SC</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Unto the
Chirurgeons of the SCA, greetings.<BR><BR>The following will come to
you from the Society Chirurgeon's office, but<BR>the Board wants to
offer some explanation for the changes.<BR><BR>The structure of the
Chirurgeon's office needs to be more in line with the<BR>other
offices of the SCA. The titles presently used are somewhat
confusing<BR>and inaccurate. For example, the term 'Chirurgeon
General,' while clever,<BR>is inconsistent with other Society
officers' titles (such as Society<BR>Marshal). It also implies
authority over more than the basic first aid<BR>that the SCA
provides. Additionally, the titles of Apprentice, Journeyman<BR>and
Master have connotations of a level of skill that the Legal
Committee<BR>is concerned pose significant legal risk to the SCA. It
would not be<BR>unreasonable for people outside of the SCA to assume
that a Master<BR>Chirurgeon has a higher level of medical training
than a Journeyman or<BR>Apprentice, which is not necessarily the c!
! ! ase. Also, the term 'Master'<BR>within the SCA usually indicates
possession of a peerage-- confusion that<BR>is not necessary. These
are changes in name only. What the Society<BR>Chirurgeon's office
shall use for a new ranking system is to
be<BR>determined.<BR><BR>Remember that the SCA only provides first
aid. Any advanced medical care<BR>is not in the purview of the SCA
and will not be performed as an official<BR>function of any office
of the SCA. Today, we live in a world with easy<BR>access to
advanced emergency medical care that did not exist when the
SCA<BR>started. The Chirurgeon's Handbook states the purpose of the
Chirurgeons<BR>clearly. We need to be careful not to promote the
perception that the SCA<BR>provides any care beyond what is required
to earn a basic first aid<BR>certification. This policy shall be
supported by not allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's office to have in its
possession advanced medical equipment<BR>such as medications, IVs,
oxygen tanks, nebulizers, defibrillators, etc.<BR>The problem is not
only in using these item, but in storing, maintaining,<BR>cleaning
and supplies for them. This is not allowed under the auspices
of<BR>the SCA, covered by insurance, or Good Samaritan protection as
individuals<BR>using them may not be trained or certified in their
use. Having such items<BR>present in the Chirurgeon's area of
operations significantly increases our<BR>legal risk and creates a
perception that the SCA provides a higher level<BR>of medical care
than we are willing or able to provide.<BR><BR>The Board of
Directors recognizes and applauds the volunteers who work<BR>within
the Chirurgeonate. You are skilled, well-meaning and
dedicated<BR>people. Many of you have advanced training and
certification. The Board<BR>appreciates that you donate your time
and skills to make the SCA a safer<BR>place to play. None of what is
precluded above applies to what an<BR>individual with advanced
training may decide to do under his or her own<BR>license and with
their own equipment. The SCA has no authority over<BR>personal
supplies. However, we do have authority over the
Chirurgeon's<BR>office, and within the purview of the Chirurgeonate,
the SCA only provides<BR>basic first aid. If an injured participant
requires more than basic first<BR>aid, they must be referred to a
medical facility. Chirurgeons who do more<BR>than that do so at
their own risk, and not as an officer of the SCA. All<BR>of our
large events should have paramedics and transport
present.<BR><BR>The Society Chirurgeon is currently working on these
changes and will pass<BR>along further information. The Chirurgeon's
Handbook will be revised to<BR>reflect this. Again, these changes
are being implemented out of necessity<BR>to decrease risk to the
SCA and its membership as a whole. This does not<BR>diminish the
Chirurgeons in any way; you are very important in making the<BR>SCA
events safer. This has been a long discussion with the Legal
Committ! ee<BR>and is not a capricious
change.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR><BR>Dena Cady - Director, SCA,
Inc.<BR>Ombudsman to the Chirurgeon's
office<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
href="mailto:DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG">DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From:
"drcady" <drcady@cox.net><BR>To: <chirurgeon@sca.org>,
<Bethcarlock4@sbcglobal.net><BR>Subject: Please post to the
chirurgeon's list<BR>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:06:32
-0700</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Unto the
Chiriurgeons of the SCA, greetings.<BR><BR>The following will come
to you from the Society Chirurgeon's office, but<BR>the Board wants
to offer some explanation for the changes.<BR><BR>The structure of
the Chirurgeon's office needs to be more in line with the<BR>other
offices of the SCA. The titles presently used are somewhat
confusing<BR>and inaccurate. For example, the term 'Chirurgeon
General,' while clever,<BR>is inconsistent with other Society
officers' titles (such as Society<BR>Marshal). It also implies
authority over more than the basic first aid<BR>that the SCA
provides. Additionally, the titles of Apprentice, Journeyman<BR>and
Master have connotations of a level of skill that the Legal
Committee<BR>is concerned pose significant legal risk to the SCA. It
would not be<BR>unreasonable for people outside of the SCA to assume
that a Master<BR>Chirurgeon has a higher level of medical training
than a Journeyman or<BR>Apprentice, which is not necessarily the ! !
case. Also, the term 'Master'<BR>within the SCA usually indicates
possession of a peerage-- confusion that<BR>is not necessary. These
are changes in name only. What the Society<BR>Chirurgeon's office
shall use for a new ranking system is to
be<BR>determined.<BR><BR>Remember that the SCA only provides first
aid. Any advanced medical care<BR>is not in the purview of the SCA
and will not be performed as an official<BR>function of any office
of the SCA. Today, we live in a world with easy<BR>access to
advanced emergency medical care that did not exist when the
SCA<BR>started. The Chirurgeon's Handbook states the purpose of the
Chirurgeons<BR>clearly. We need to be careful not to promote the
perception that the SCA<BR>provides any care beyond what is required
to earn a basic first aid<BR>certification. This policy shall be
supported by not allowing the<BR>Chirurgeon's office to have in its
possession advanced medical equipment<BR>such as medications, IVs,
oxygen tanks, nebulizers, defibrillators, etc.<BR>The problem is not
only in using these item, but in storing, maintaining,<BR>cleaning
and supplies for them. This is not allowed under the auspices
of<BR>the SCA, covered by insurance, or Good Samaritan protection as
individuals<BR>using them may not be trained or certified in their
use. Having such items<BR>present in the Chirurgeon's area of
operations significantly increases our<BR>legal risk and creates a
perception that the SCA provides a higher level<BR>of medical care
than we are willing or able to provide.<BR><BR>The Board of
Directors recognizes and applauds the volunteers who work<BR>within
the Chirurgeonate. You are skilled, well-meaning and
dedicated<BR>people. Many of you have advanced training and
certification. The Board<BR>appreciates that you donate your time
and skills to make the SCA a safer<BR>place to play. None of what is
precluded above applies to what an<BR>individual with advanced
training may decide to do under his or her own<BR>license and with
their own equipment. The SCA has no authority over<BR>personal
supplies. However, we do have authority over the
Chirurgeon's<BR>office, and within the purview of the Chirurgeonate,
the SCA only provides<BR>basic first aid. If an injured participant
requires more than basic first<BR>aid, they must be referred to a
medical facility. Chirurgeons who do more<BR>than that do so at
their own risk, and not as an officer of the SCA. All<BR>of our
large events should have paramedics and transport
present.<BR><BR>The Society Chirurgeon is currently working on these
changes and will pass<BR>along further information. The Chirurgeon's
Handbook will be revised to<BR>reflect this. Again, these changes
are being implemented out of necessity<BR>to decrease risk to the
SCA and its membership as a whole. This does not<BR>diminish the
Chirurgeons in any way; you are very important in making the<BR>SCA
events safer. This has been a long discussion with the Legal
Committ! ee<BR>and is not a capricious
change.<BR><BR>Respectfully,<BR><BR>Dena Cady - Director, SCA,
Inc.<BR>Ombudsman to the Chirurgeon's
office<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
href="mailto:DIRECTORS@SCA.ORG">DIRECTORS</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">_______________________________________________<BR>KC
mailing
list<BR>KC@sca.org<BR>http://www.sca.org/mailman/listinfo/kc</SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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