[Anst-dancers] Fall Arts Symposium - Dance Business

Scot and Michelle Henry cshenry at ev1.net
Mon Nov 3 12:31:31 PST 2003

I think a better judge of dance in Ansteorra would be your own dear fiancee
who attended Glaslyn classes regularly.  I would also participate in dance
at an event, perhaps 12th night.
Unlike middle eastern dance which you have proven yourself to be elegant
both at dancing and dealing with their politics, courtly dance requires more
people involvement which unfortunately means that sometimes there will be
uncooperativeness.  I'm sorry that the time you have spent online has been
one of those times.

In service,
  -----Original Message-----
  From: ansteorra-dancers-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-dancers-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of
ORDERS_DONITA_L at Lilly.com
  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:06 AM
  To: Ansteorran Dancers
  Subject: Re: [Anst-dancers] Fall Arts Symposium - Dance Business

  I have been reading this list for over 4 months, just to see if I would
like to join the dance community.  I thought it would be a good idea to 'get
a feel' for it online before I set foot in a practice.  Well, now I have a
feel for it, and it is not good.  Would the host/hostess please remove me
from recieving this list?  Thank you,
  Lady Toryn Seven-Stitches

       Russell Kinder <russmax at sbcglobal.net>
        Sent by: ansteorra-dancers-bounces at ansteorra.org
        10/31/2003 08:40 PM
        Please respond to Ansteorran Dancers

                To:        Ansteorran Dancers
<ansteorra-dancers at ansteorra.org>
                Subject:        Re: [Anst-dancers] Fall Arts Symposium -
Dance Business

  Pug, Pug,

  I had no idea you hated me so much. It is apparent that your feelings
  against me are about far more than a few issues of creative control
  regarding the manual and the web site. Your attack against me is
  totally inappropriate, and Ariane is right, it should have been sent as
  a private e-mail. If you had stuck to the issues and refrained from
  personal attacks then it would have been OK. Since this is a public
  forum, I'll not respond in kind.

  > Hell, I
  > actually think that you suck as an instructor

  Um, this is never, ever an appropriate thing to say on a public list.
  Sure, I suck as an instructor. That must be why I have one of the
  largest practices in Ansteorra, with 20+ dancers every Monday night.
  That must be why my students thank me and praise me so much after every
  practice. While I'll never claim to be Ansteorra's best dance
  instructor, I certainly don't suck at it. There are many on this list
  who can vouch for that.

  I think what you're really trying to say is that I suck as a person.
  Well, you're probably right, but that's very much beside the point
  here, and not an appropriate topic to this list.

  >> I've decided that we have 2 alternatives. The first is to resign
  >> Isabeau and myself as Dance Manual compilers and web scribes. The
  >> second is to go on as we have been doing, taking all your discussion
  >> under advisement.
  >  "We're going to either take our
  > ball and go home or you're going do it our way"

  While it could be interpreted that way, that is not how the statement
  was meant. What we mean to say is that we are happy to do the work. We
  are happy to incorporate other's suggestions when they are good and
  feasible. We like getting lots of input. We like lots of the great
  ideas we receive from fellow dancers. We are not smart enough to think
  of all of these things ourselves.

  Here are some suggestions that have been given, and implemented:
  1. Number of dancers for each dance should be given in the table of
  2. Each dance should have an attribution line for the reconstructer or
  choreographer (actually it has been this since Edition 1, revision 1 of
  the Nordsteorra manual.)
  3. There should be a Who's Who in Ansteorran dance in an appendix in
  the manual.
  4. Reconstruction credits should be given in the back, as well as in
  the dance reconstruction.
  5. Glossary of terms should go in the back instead of the front.

  We don't like being dictated to. Not all ideas are good ones. Design by
  committee is never a good idea. Everyone probably has a different
  vision of what the manual should be like. In the end, only one person
  gets to have the final say. This is simply for quality control.

  What I meant was that if we are not going to have enough control to
  ensure the quality of the documents (web page & manual), then we cease
  to want to be the ones whose names are given as the authors/editors. We
  would still be more than happy to do lots of work for dance in the

  > Second, I am going to follow the desires of the Proctor with regards
  > tot
  > he website. IF you want to appeal this, please appeal it to the Kingdom
  > MoAS and if you still aren't satisfied the Crown.

  Which is exactly as you should do. My issues were completely not with
  you. But if this resolves itself in a way that I can't accept, rather
  than create a big stink and huge bad feelings all around, I'll simply
  walk away, and let others do the work.

  > Finally, I see that you have already ran Lowrie off by being such a big
  > pain in the ass. This type of behavior is what gives the dancers a bad
  > rep and you are the best example of this I've seen in a *long* time. I
  > feel sorry for the few people on here that are just remotely interested
  > in dance and get a bad taste in their mount because of your childish
  > and
  > self-centered behavior. Get over yourselves.

  I am sorry that Lowrie was run off. That was not intended. When we were
  consulted about who we wanted to do the programming, some issues were
  discussed in confidence. If those things got back to Lowrie, that was
  not our doing, and it was, in fact a betrayal of our confidence. Now I
  need to have a private discussion with Lowrie, before this gets blown
  out of proportion any further.

  If you want to attack me further, please do it privately.

  Guillaume de Troyes

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