[Ansteorra-marshals] Online Authorization System
james at crouchet.com
Wed Jun 29 14:53:49 PDT 2011
Good stuff. I really have been looking forward to a system like this.
The one item I mentioned that must be dealt with is the waiver. I assume you
will work that out before you go live.
As a suggestion, if authorizing someone who has already failed that
authorization, I would like to see that fact and the reason for it when I go
in to authorize them. Maybe I did not know, or maybe I know but decided they
have fixed the problem. So long as I know the issue I can decide and if I
authorize someone inappropriate that should come back on me.
I think this might also give me the incentive to set up my machine for
Android development. Android auth app anyone?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Morgan Buchanan
<morganbuchanan at gmail.com>wrote:
> I do very much appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!
> A fighter will HAVE to select an authorizing marshal, and the average
> marshal at large won't have access to the list of pending authorizations.
> But administratively we will be able to get that person authorized even if
> the marshal he selected doesn't do it. I'm not sure if that answers the
> question you were asking. Let me know if I can further clarify.
> Several of the questions you asked are areas of development... like
> and delayed authorizations and the like. But we should be able to do most
> anything. We'll be able to pull reports, and so if Bob Jones is showing up
> as failed by Don Juan and passed by Don Jose Cuervo, we can investigate.
> I do want to get the youth into this eventually. I want to be able to get
> anyone their card anytime, rather than have to wait, and fill out temp
> paperwork and all that jazz.
> Each marshal will have the "stuff" they're qualified to approve on their
> list. So if you came to me and asked me to authorize you, when I logged
> into my account and pulled you up, the only options I will have available
> are exactly the things I have. So using heavy combat as an example, you
> a new fighter, and I'm authorizing you. When I pull you up I see that I
> authorize you for Heavy Combat, Heavy Combat Marshal, and Fiber Spear. You
> are a new fighter, so I only select Heavy Combat. Bazinga, you get an
> and when you print out your card, you see only that you are authorized for
> Heavy Combat.
> Then if the annoying thing happens where I FORGOT that you needed fiber
> spear, you email me back, I check that box, and you reprint the card, and
> won't don't have to make the nice secretary drop another card in the mail.
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:02 PM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
> > This is an idea JP and I kicked around a few years ago and I think it is
> > fantastic that it is happening. I have a few thoughts to share from our
> > discussions on the subject.
> > - The one thing we needed that could not be done online was the combat
> > waiver. Our thought was to have just the waiver available online in PDF
> > form
> > so the fighter could print it off, fill it in and then mail/fax/email
> > scan to the marshalate secretary. Until that happens the fighter could
> > not
> > be authorized in anything.
> > - Once registered I assume the system will maintain the account for
> > fighter. That being the case:
> > - Can an authorization marshal authorize a fighter for something
> > if that fighter has not selected that marshal from the list?
> > - Will the system track the fact that a marshal has failed a fighter
> > for authorization? This would prevent the fighter from just
> > marshal-hopping
> > to find someone who will auth them. Perhaps a reason could be
> > recorded.
> > - Can the authorization marshal decline to authorize that fighter
> > (rather than saying the fighter failed the authorization)? For
> > if
> > that auth marshal can't make it to the event where he was to do the
> > auth.
> > - In Cut & Thrust, authorization is different from anything else we do
> > Ansteorra. ALL C&T marshals are authorizing marshals, and it take 2 to
> > authorize a fighter. To authorize a C&T marshal requires a current C&T
> > marshal PLUS the kingdom C&T marshal. It would be necessary to code for
> > those quirks unless we are ready to *normalize the C&T authorization
> > process* and make it work like all the other Ansteorran combat
> > authorizations.
> > - Efforts to handle youth separately have always been a disaster.
> > get lost, no one has answers, authorization and getting cards becomes
> > almost
> > impossible. To include the youth in this there are a couple of
> > items to consider and code for, like whether the marshal has a current
> > background check and the age of the person being authorized. However,
> > these
> > should not be big obstacles. For the most part it's just another
> > authorization and the marshals need the same sort of access and
> > information
> > as in adult activities.
> > Finally, a thought about authorization marshals that could make some of
> > this
> > easier. As KRM I put in place a system where rapier authorization
> > could authorize others for anything in which they held an authorization.
> > Thus an authorization marshal who was authorized in heavy rapier and as a
> > field marshal could authorize others to fight with heavy rapiers and to
> > field marshals. If that authorizing marshals becomes a youth rapier
> > marshal
> > he could authorize others to be youth rapier marshals. All this is easy
> > track in a database.
> > We select our authorizing marshals to be people with a clue and if they
> > not up to the task of authorizing someone in a particular combat form we
> > expect them to know that and turn down any requests for authorizations in
> > that form. Anyone who is not that cluefull should not have authorization
> > powers.
> > I hope you find these thoughts and suggestions helpful.
> > Christian Doré
> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Morgan Buchanan
> > <morganbuchanan at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > Just to give you all a brief run-down of the system we're gearing
> > > toward....
> > >
> > > This is a system to alleviate the paperwork and mailing expenses on the
> > > back
> > > end of the authorization process, not a testing procedure to replace or
> > > enhance the existing authorization process.
> > >
> > > In a nutshell, we're working on an online process for the
> > of
> > > cards, expirations, authorizations, and the like. Here is kind of a
> > > run-down of the flow of the new system. I'm going to say "fighter"
> > > generically.
> > >
> > > Fighter wants to authorize. Authorization marshal may tell the fighter
> > > about the website before or after authorization exercises. Doesn't
> > really
> > > matter. When the fighter registers on the site, he will select his
> > > authorization marshal from a drop down list. Once fighter registration
> > is
> > > complete, the authorization marshal will get an email saying, "You have
> > > fighter who needs to authorize."
> > >
> > > The marshal logs in and finds the new fighter assigned to him, and
> > > off on the forms for which the new fighter is authorized. A marshal
> > > be
> > > restricted by the system to only be able to check off on the stuff for
> > > which
> > > they are approved. IE, a chiv only marshal can't check off a rapier or
> > > archery authorization.
> > >
> > > The fighter will now get an email back saying, "You are authorized. Go
> > > print off your card."
> > >
> > > The fighter will be able to download a document, probably a PDF, of
> > > fighter card. They will be able to retrieve it any time while they are
> > > still authorized. If they wash it or their dog eats it, they can go
> > print
> > > another. The kingdom saves hundreds of dollars a year on printing and
> > > mailing cards to everyone.
> > >
> > > We'll be combining this with SCA membership expiration date cards, so
> > > warranted marshals will have membership driven expiration on their
> > warrants
> > > that are shown in the system.
> > >
> > > Should be pretty cool. As soon as I have a few more folks on here,
> > be
> > > posting a link for everyone to go try it out, "get authorized" and so
> > > The print function isn't working. But I want to get feedback on the
> > > bare-bones of the system.
> > >
> > > Morgan
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