[Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide Poll

[ulsted at juno.com]

Yeah - I could offer a couple of enhancements to the poll:1) I believe (having done similar before) that darn near any material on earth could be made "rigid" by the intended definition in the marshals handbooks.  (Layers aren't just for warmth!)  So the "is it rigid" is a bit vague.2) How are you ever going to reasonably enforce any rule - "No, it can only be .016" thick rawhide, not .017" "!3) Have you ever used or fought against rawhide covered weapons (and to what extent)? So - if you apply Alexis' (the lawyer I'm most familiar with) "reasonable man" - does this treatment make a sword (or other weapon type: maybe significant, maybe not) much different, or even more to the point, significantly less safe - than a sword using only siloflex, strapping tape, and duct tape (the last 2 materials *also* not on any list of "approved materials", btw) under normal construction methods for any of them?  Lots of undefined terms there, just as in our current rules.  What does significantly less flexibile mean?  What does rigid mean (yes, we have some form of guidance from the armor materials, but any engineer would be happy to tell you there's a difference in applying force versus absorbing/dispersing it).    And any attempt to make those absolutes means we have to have a way to verify it - which is why we ended with the "don't be a jerk" or "I know it when I see it" kind of applications.    Now, if we want to go ahead and increase all memberships to $20,000 a year, I'm certain we can hire the requisite testers to ensure complete adherence to a very specific set of armor and weapons requirements.  (This last bit was all about Hosey, btw - love 'ya dude.) :D  Ulsted

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Liam Gordon <cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com>
To: Discussion list for all Ansteorran marshals <ansteorra-marshals at lists.ansteorra.org>, rudin at ev1.net
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide Poll
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 14:46:58 -0600

Robin,

Refer back to Ulsted's email in the last thread. He states specifically
that rawhide was an approved material for sword making.

Liam
On Feb 26, 2016 2:40 PM, "Jay Rudin" <rudin at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> The poll assumes that this is an issue of opinion, not of fact. We can't
> add up the guesses of 100 people who haven't tested the swords and arrive
> at an informed answer
>
> There should at least be a question focused on whether we need data: "Do
> you think rawhide-bound swords should be tested?"
>
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: kingdom at marshal.ansteorra.org
> >Sent: Feb 26, 2016 12:48 PM
> >To: ansteorra-marshals at lists.ansteorra.org
> >Subject: [Ansteorra-marshals] Rawhide Poll
> >
> >I've created a quick poll to get a final feeling about the rawhide
> >weapons. Please respond if you will. Please do not forward this poll
> >outside of this list.
> >TY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quick poll to see how the marshals in Ansteorra feel about using
> >rawhide as a covering for weapons.
> >
> >I've invited you to fill out the form Rawhide weapon poll. To fill it
> >out, visit:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/a/marshal.ansteorra.org/forms/d/1epzAkeIDMqLBRQXeQdjymjH5hoBwtnzi2MxIhApRAlg/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link
> >_______________________________________________


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