[Ansteorra-missile] Re: Ansteorra-missile Digest, Vol 28, Issue 1

Tue Jan 3 17:38:34 PST 2006

Since we're on the subject of combat arrows, has anyone played with the new combat heads from Northstar archery? I just ordered some shafts and APDs and Sir Erica threw in a couple of experimental heads for me to play with. (note; not for use on people yet). I haven't had the time to do anything with them and I was wondering if anyone else had.
  Robin

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Today's Topics:

1. Combat Arrow Recomendations (Donnchadh)
2. Re: Combat Arrow Recomendations (Pug Bainter)
3. Combat Arrow Recomendations (Shawn Cornelius)
4. Re: Combat Arrow Recomendations (Eadric Anstapa)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:47:51 -0600
From: Donnchadh 
Subject: [Ansteorra-missile] Combat Arrow Recomendations
To: Ansteorra Missile Combat ,
Ansteorra Archery 
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Greetings all,

I am looking at getting into combat archery and I was wondering what the 
pros and cons were for fiberglass vs siloflex arrows.

Thanks,
Donnchadh Beag mac Griogair
Honorable Brotherhood of Brewers, Mazers, and Vintners

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:49:03 -0600
From: Pug Bainter 

Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-missile] Combat Arrow Recomendations
To: donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us, Missile combat in Ansteorra

Cc: Ansteorra Archery 
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Donnchadh (donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us) said something that sounded like:
> I am looking at getting into combat archery and I was wondering what the 
> pros and cons were for fiberglass vs siloflex arrows.

Good Morning,

This Kingdom has a long history with the fiberglass and not that
extensive with siloflex.

Fiberglass lasts a very long time and if you use UHMW heads with
siloflex APDs you only need to replace the 1" of foam and tape
every few years. The Baldar Blunts and Asgard APDs are a good easy
way to start but quite expensive and don't last the same time.

Since you are up North you may want to look at siloflex if you play
with Calontir. That is the only thing they allow there and I believe
the only shaft allowed at Lillies war.

Btw, right now we don't allow siloflex in this Kingdom but I'm trying
to get that rectified during January if I can get the Earl Marshal and
Crown to sign off on the new rules. We just did a big rewrite to fix a
lot of mistakes in the current rules as well as update a few items
such as allowing siloflex.

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase | "And we're always slipping thru the cracks
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra | Then the movie's over -- fade to black
Dark Horde Moritu | Life is a lemon and I want my money back."
pug at pug.net | --Meatloaf
Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:03:21 -0600
From: Shawn Cornelius 
Subject: [Ansteorra-missile] Combat Arrow Recomendations
To: Ansteorra Missile Combat ,
Ansteorra Archery 
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Greetings all,

I am looking at getting into combat archery and I was wondering what the 
pros and cons were for fiberglass vs siloflex arrows.

Thanks,
Donnchadh Beag mac Griogair
Honorable Brotherhood of Brewers, Mazers, and Vintners

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:43:18 -0600
From: Eadric Anstapa 
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-missile] Combat Arrow Recomendations
To: donnchadh at cornelius.norman.ok.us, Missile combat in Ansteorra

Cc: Ansteorra Archery 
Message-ID: <43B1D196.1080507 at scabrewer.com>
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Donnchadh wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I am looking at getting into combat archery and I was wondering what 
> the pros and cons were for fiberglass vs siloflex arrows.
>
> Thanks,
> Donnchadh Beag mac Griogair
> Honorable Brotherhood of Brewers, Mazers, and Vintners

Fiberglass shafts are basically state of the art for SCA combat arrows. 
With reasonable care the shafts will basicly last forever under normal 
use if you buy quality fiberglass. 

For blunts on these shafts you really have two options. UHMW cored 
Modified Markland style blunts that you make/assemble yourself or 
commercially produced Baldar Blunts. 

Baldar blunts are easy and shoot well. You just affix them to the shaft 
and go. Ease of use is their big advantage. 

Some _disadvantages_ of Baldar Blunts are..

* They do wear out and they can not be repaired. When they get
damaged you must simply throw them away. 
* They can not be used on the rapier field because they hit too
hard. So if you ever think you might want to use your ammo in a
rapier melee then they are not an option. 
* They cost $2 each.

UHMW cored blunts require more work. Even if you buy premade cored and 
die cut foam you still gotta spend time assembling them. That extra 
work involved is their disadvantage but if ya buy premade components it 
isn't all that much work.

Some _advantages_ of the UHMW cored blunts...
Easily and inexpensively repaired. Sit an watch TV or sit around the 
campfire and repair them with materials ya buy at Walmart.
The cores themselves will basically never wear out. You may have to 
replace/repair/retape the padding but the blunt core should never wear 
out in normal use.
Usable on the rapier field.
Less expensive. If you make all the components yourself (that means at 
a minimum cutting and drilling the UHMW and cutting the foam) then the 
materials cost is about 20 cents each. If ya buy premade parts then the 
cost is about $1 each.

In addition to blunts your Fiberglass shafts will need APDs. Your 
choices are either the commercially produced Asgard APD or Siloflex APDs 
that you can make yourself.

Asgard APDs are a good product. Just glue them on and go. They shoot 
well and have an integrated nock for use on arrows or ya just cut off 
the nock for use on a crossbow. They cost 45 to 60 cents each depending 
on where ya buy em. We really dont know yet how well the hold up 
because they have only been around a couple of years. A crawback of 
this product is that for use on arrows they are only nocked for right 
handed shooters. So if you shoot left handed or will be sharing ammo 
with someone who does then the lefty will have to learn to shoot them 
nockless.

Siloflex APDs also shoot well and are inexpensive. If you have the 
skills, time, and tools, then you can make them for under 10 cents 
each. They do however require frequent repair and retaping.

I think UHMW cored blunts are the clear winners for blunts but I think 
it is a toss-up for APDs between Siloflex and Asgard.

As far as Siloflex for the shafts go.

Personally I think there is are really only a two reasons to use 
Siloflex for your shafts.
1. You already have a bow that will shoot them
2. You live in a kingdom that requires their use or will travel to one. 
(like Calontir or Estrella War)

Siloflex shafts cost more than fiberglass and dont last any longer. 
They also dont shoot/fly as well (decreased range).

Since you do live in the Northern Region you may wish to consider 
siloflex if you plan on ever doing Combat Archery in Calontior. But if 
you plan on playing in Calontir they gotta have Tennis Ball blunts and 
well those aren't the most aerodyanamic blunts out there.

Because of our history Ansteorra is almost 100% fiberglass shafted. I 
really dont see that changing for the most part.

Regards,

-- 
HL Eadric Anstapa
/eadric at scabrewer.com/ 
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