[Ansteorra-missile] Draft of Missile handbook...

Fri Sep 1 09:47:23 PDT 2006

Yes, I reviewed both the draft and the previous version of the document 
as well. I agree that there need to be discussion on both of these 
before going forward.

Did look at the last set of instructions that came out of the Academy of 
the Bow concerning taping of combat arrows, the phrase "...but the 
outermost layer should be applied in the linear fashion.", seem to be in 
conflict. Perhaps, need to discuss this with a combat arrow as a model 
to further the discussion.

I also could not pull the Gulf Wars site as part of me review of the 
taping of Baldar blunts either. Yes, now that makes sense with stated in 
that way. Though, if you would have to use transparent reinforced fiber 
strapping tape to be able to view the base of the Blunt. The convention 
is two pieces of reinforced fiber tape are required as a minimum. I 
taped the entire blunt to prevent grass and/or dirt from being pickup 
and sticking to the tape, I believe that I have seen a couple of others 
doing the same thing. There is also a matter of safety involve here. If 
there is pieces of grass and/or dirt (gravel) sticking to the tape - 
then when the arrow is shot at an combatant and the arrow hits the grill 
- well what is stuck on the tape could very well come off and enter 
through the grill of the hem and hit that combatant's face.

I am leaving for Gothic now.  Will not have access to email until I get 
back in town.

Ld Michael Kettering

Pug Bainter wrote:

>The first two items you bring up are unmodified from the previous version of
>the document. Should we change them is a matter for discussion, but they are
>the rules we have been playing under for some time.
>
>While the Gulfwars website is in a bit of chaos, I believe the taping of the
>baldar is directly from our conventions negotiated there. While the base may
>be black, you can see tears and protrusions of the shaft when it is not
>properly seated.
>
>Ciao,
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ansteorra-missile-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-
>>missile-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>>Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:17 PM
>>To: Missile combat in Ansteorra
>>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-missile] Draft of Missile handbook...
>>
>>Heilsa,
>>
>>I have reviewed the draft Missile section of the Handbook. I do have
>>concerns with this draft and they are the following
>>:
>>Section I: Guidelines for All Combatants During Use of Missile Weapons -
>>Pg 1.
>>
>>Sub-section C -
>>Missile Combatants shall be prepared to received blows just as any other
>>Combatant upon the Field and may carry, or have at hand, other weapons
>>as secondary/backup weapons.
>>
>>1. All Missile Combatants are full contact.
>>
>>2. Combatants may avoid being struck if, in the face of a charge, they
>>fall to the ground and loudly proclaim that they "YIELD". Other
>>Combatants shall refrain from striking any Combatant who has yielded .
>>Such a Combatant will be considered slain and must leave the field.
>>
>>
>>What if the Combatant wishes to "YIELD", but is not physically able to
>>fall to the ground?
>>This is not covered and there are a number of people who are playing or
>>in the future might wish to play and the only way for them to take the
>>Field is as a combat archer or other missile type of combatant, which
>>barred them from this activity.
>>
>>
>>Section III: Arrows, Bolts, And Other Miscellaneous Missile Weapons
>>
>>A. Fiberglass Shafted Arrows/Bolts:
>>
>>2. Shall have the shaft completely taped in a linear fashion with at
>>least one layer of electrical or reinforced
>>fiber tape over its entire length. Additional layers may be applied in a
>>spiral fashion if desired, but the
>>outermost layer should be applied in the linear fashion.
>>
>>The phrase "...but the outermost layer should be applied in the linear
>>fashion."
>>
>>This seems to be confusing, in that the shafts are taped in a linear
>>fashion with at least one layer of electrical or reinforced fiber tape
>>over its entire length. If it is the combat head is UHMW, the 1 inch of
>>resilient padding is applied, using contact glue, then additional tape
>>is applied over both the 1 inch of padding, the UHMW and anchored to the
>>arrow shaft (which is already been tape linearly with either electrical
>>or reinforced fiber tape). Once the taping of the combat head is
>>completed, to ensure that the tape ends do not curl up, a section of
>>tape - I use reinforced fiber tape - is spiral downward the shaft to
>>ensure that tape sections used to tape the UHMW and the 1 inch of
>>padding remains secure to the arrow shaft and not curl up or come loose.
>>
>>The way the last phrase reads indicates that the individual building the
>>combat arrow would need to add one more piece of tape over what has
>>already been described above.
>>
>>The item, which is still in Sub-section A -
>>Item number 4:
>>4. Shall have Society approved combat blunts of the following type and
>>restrictions:
>>
>>b. Classic style Baldar Blunts head designs are legal for Armored Combat
>>but may NOT to be used in
>>Rapier Combat
>>     (a) Baldar Blunts must be taped such that it can be visibly
>>inspected for tears and proper seating
>>
>>
>>It this sub section a of b that I have an issue with.
>>The Classical style Baldar Blunts are black in color and there is no way
>>to visually inspect whether the arrow shaft has been seated properly or
>>not. Now if you were thinking about the defunct Egg Shape Baldar Blunt
>>which was clear and you could indeed perform a visual inspection for
>>proper seating of the arrow shaft within the interior of the Egg Shape
>>Blunt...
>>
>>If thought process was something else in regard to "proper seating",
>>might wish to rethink this portion.
>>
>>
>>
>>Ld Michael Kettering
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Pug Bainter wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Good Morning,
>>>
>>> The draft version of the missile section of the handbook is up on the
>>> marshal webpage now. This is still subject to change in the very near
>>> future depending on changes in the Society missile rules and the
>>> Kingdom participants handbook.
>>>
>>>Ciao,
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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