[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

Jay Madan j_madan at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 10 10:09:13 PDT 2012 

Just be careful that one does not only train with Epees/Foils but uses a Rapier in tournament... That causes potential safety issues! 
Similar to having a 36" at practice but using a 42"-45" at tournament. 
I'd recommend training with the intended weapon. 
Mostly I recommend just be careful. ;-)

-Alessandro-

On Oct 10, 2012, at 12:06 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I couldn't say!  ;-)  It was one of those "hang on a minute...this
> just might work" ideas.  Ya know, the ones that can either work well
> or be a complete disaster, and there's no way to tell in advance...
> 
> Asbiorn
> 
> 
> On 10 October 2012 12:03, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
>> Good idea. Why didn't I think of that?  ;-)
>> 
>> Doré
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 PM, David Cordes <david.cordes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is quite true.  However, when the medical condition in question
>>> is something temporary (maybe something that's mostly better, but
>>> needs the exercise), or is merely a muscle weakness that could be
>>> overcome with some work, then use of a light blade would allow someone
>>> to fence who otherwise could not.
>>> 
>>> Its struck me that many of the arguments being made in favor of the
>>> use of light blade apply particularly to practice situations, rather
>>> than tournaments.  As something of a compromise measure, would it be
>>> workable to allow light blade in practice, but to go with the proposed
>>> change for tournaments?
>>> 
>>> Asbiorn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 October 2012 11:53, Barone Orlando Di Gilead
>>> <orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
>>>> On medical needs. We want to be as inclusive as possible BUT there will
>>>> always be a point when a persons medical condition makes it difficult to
>>>> participate in a sport.
>>>> 
>>>> Orlando
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2012, David Cordes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> While I think the idea is in general a good one, there are a couple of
>>>>> specific issues that I have with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The first of these is cost-based.  Yes, heavy rapiers are relatively
>>>>> cheap and readily available today, but particularly for someone with
>>>>> little disposable income (people like students, at least in theory!),
>>>>> a light blade is potentially a more practical investment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The second concern is more fundamental, I think.  If or when this
>>>>> measure goes through, what happens to those who for medical reasons
>>>>> (generally problems of some sort in the arm) cannot use a heavy blade
>>>>> (or at least cannot use it for any useful amount of time)?  Yes, the
>>>>> proposed change allows for variances from it, but by the current
>>>>> wording, this is only for individual events.  This change would mean
>>>>> that those fencers could only fence at events where they notified the
>>>>> marshal in charge that they were going to be attending and wanting to
>>>>> fence with light blade more than a month in advance, and that said
>>>>> marshal in charge got the appropriate permission, more than a month
>>>>> before the event.  The other question with respect to this, is what
>>>>> happens at practices?  If its an official practice, would we still be
>>>>> able to give people who come up and express an interest the chance to
>>>>> try fencing with  a light blade?
>>>>> 
>>>>> In service
>>>>> Asbiorn
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 October 2012 09:04, Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Good Morning,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  As some folks know, we are working on reducing the Kingdom Rapier
>>>>>> rules
>>>>>> down to match the other marshal areas by simply being statements of
>>>>>> where we
>>>>>> differ from Society. This greatly reduces the complexity while
>>>>>> improving
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> clarify of our rules. It also allows for less churn when Society
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  When discussing this recently with the Don Iago (KRM), Sir John
>>>>>> (KEM),
>>>>>> Duke Ulsted (KSen) and Their August Majesties, I made a proposal
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> generated a concern there may be some pushback based on earlier
>>>>>> discussions.
>>>>>> Because of this concern, I asked permission to socialize this item
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> community to see if the concerns are still warranted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  First, and foremost, we are a historical recreation group. This
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> need to be able to remember our history from time to time. Because of
>>>>>> that,
>>>>>> the wording on this was very specific.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  It has come to pass that the evolution of our fencing blades has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> successful and the fading out of light rapier blades has succeeded.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of our rules simplification, there is one item I would like to
>>>>>> propose
>>>>>> because it is in reality but not in law.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ansteorra convention: Except under the Youth Rapier Program, Light
>>>>>> Rapier is
>>>>>> to be eliminated within the borders of Ansteorra effective March
>>>>>> 17th,
>>>>>> 2013.
>>>>>> After that date, Light Rapier blades can only be used with variances
>>>>>> obtained in writing from the Kingdom Rapier Marshal at least 30 days
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> advance such as for historical SCA theme events. Ansteorra’s Rapier
>>>>>> authorizations permit use of Light Rapier blades at out of Kingdom
>>>>>> events
>>>>>> where allowed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  In order to make sure we don’t cause any knee jerk reactions, the
>>>>>> date
>>>>>> suggested here is to ensure that it will be published in the
>>>>>> BlackStar
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> socialized at Gulf Wars with our rapier community before going into
>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  When first thinking through the elimination of light rapier blades
>>>>>> (foils
>>>>>> & epees), it concerned me a great bit because of Bryn Gwlad just
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>> having an anniversary event where some of the older equipment was not
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> displayed for viewing, but also used in a tournament. The wording was
>>>>>> selected to allow for that in case others were interested in these
>>>>>> types
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> nostalgic events as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Going back to us being a historical recreation group, the styles of
>>>>>> weapon
>>>>>> we call a foil and epee today were created in the late 17th to 19th
>>>>>> century
>>>>>> replacing the blades that we are commonly using within our heavy
>>>>>> rapier
>>>>>> program. So while we may be taking a step back from our origins as an
>>>>>> organization, we are taking a step forward by disallowing
>>>>>> historically
>>>>>> inaccurate weapons.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  There are some other arguments that could be used to counter this
>>>>>> that
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