[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

Sean Hertzberg colsith at gmail.com
Thu Oct 11 08:14:06 PDT 2012


Orlando,

Nope.  We still use flexi daggers.  They have the same profile as a foil.

Avery

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Barone Orlando Di Gilead <
orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:

> Long thread and possibly I missed the discussion about the relation
> between our armor requirements and epees. I hold no malice towards epees
> although mine has become a pell in the last few years. I do hold malice
> towards the puncture resistant amor we wear.
>
> Would restricting our weapons to heavy rapier move us closer to dispensing
> with puncture resistant armor?
>
> HE Orlando
>
>
> On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Howard Rachel wrote:
>
>> You're right.  The carpet armor is a perfect analogy.  Some folks DO
>> still use it --disguised-- on the body, to replicate a lack of obvious
>> armor, though its use has declined.  Perfect analogy.  I wouldn't want to
>> outlaw carpet armor.., either.  Doing so would be the worst sort of
>> bullying.
>>
>> The "out of period" nature of foils and epees, as an argument for
>> eliminating them, fails for me, as well.  As long as the SCA uses rattan to
>> emulate swords (in the face of more realistic and available simulators!),
>> my disbelief is sufficient to overlook foils and epees.  I find this to be
>> a red herring argument.
>>
>> However.., the apparently increasing lack of experience on the part of
>> the marshalate to inspect foils and epees might be a good reason to
>> consider eliminating foils and epees.  So, too, the inertia of SCA-wide
>> change.  Even "the will of the people" ought to encourage a debate.  Use
>> for adults training with youth, too.  BUT, these are these are reasons to
>> *discuss it and recommend several courses of action (and the pros/cons
>> of each) to the decision-makers*.  On their face, they are, in my
>> opinion, insufficient to support an ill-informed going in position for
>> the elimination of foil and epee.
>>
>> I could not agree more strongly with Don Tivar and Don Robin.
>>
>> Don Kazimir
>> .., yeah, I don't live there anymore
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Wohlers <donpieter at aol.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yes much better than the car analogy.
>>> Thanks
>>> P
>>>
>>> Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Andrew Heinrich <andrew.heinrich at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Greetings,
>>> >
>>> > Regarding the somewhat lacking car analogy - we don't wear carpet
>>> armor anymore, either. It works, it's functional, and it's cheap, but we
>>> don't use it. And we don't use it because it breaks our evolving aesthetic,
>>> and is simply and objectively inferior as an armor simulator. Much like an
>>> epee and a foil is an objectively inferior rapier simulator.
>>> >
>>> > - Mateo
>>> >
>>> >
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