[Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules

[Andrew Heinrich]

Greetings,

Excellent suggestion. *grin*

- Mateo

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Candice Blaschke
<solarandraste at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Which bring up an interesting point...
>
> Flexi daggers are subject to many of the same problems that cause the
> light rapiers to fail. Kinks, s-curve and such. Unless you kill the flexi
> dagger along with the light rapier, rapier marshals are still going to need
> to know these basic concepts.
>
> Candice
>   *From:* Sean Hertzberg <colsith at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ansteorra RapierNet <ansteorra-rapier at lists.ansteorra.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:14 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules
>
> Orlando,
>
> Nope.  We still use flexi daggers.  They have the same profile as a foil.
>
> Avery
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Barone Orlando Di Gilead <
> orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
>
> Long thread and possibly I missed the discussion about the relation
> between our armor requirements and epees. I hold no malice towards epees
> although mine has become a pell in the last few years. I do hold malice
> towards the puncture resistant amor we wear.
>
> Would restricting our weapons to heavy rapier move us closer to dispensing
> with puncture resistant armor?
>
> HE Orlando
>
>
> On Thursday, October 11, 2012, Howard Rachel wrote:
>
> You're right.  The carpet armor is a perfect analogy.  Some folks DO still
> use it --disguised-- on the body, to replicate a lack of obvious armor,
> though its use has declined.  Perfect analogy.  I wouldn't want to outlaw
> carpet armor.., either.  Doing so would be the worst sort of bullying.
>
> The "out of period" nature of foils and epees, as an argument for
> eliminating them, fails for me, as well.  As long as the SCA uses rattan to
> emulate swords (in the face of more realistic and available simulators!),
> my disbelief is sufficient to overlook foils and epees.  I find this to be
> a red herring argument.
>
> However.., the apparently increasing lack of experience on the part of the
> marshalate to inspect foils and epees might be a good reason to consider
> eliminating foils and epees.  So, too, the inertia of SCA-wide change.
> Even "the will of the people" ought to encourage a debate.  Use for adults
> training with youth, too.  BUT, these are these are reasons to *discuss
> it and recommend several courses of action (and the pros/cons of each) to
> the decision-makers*.  On their face, they are, in my opinion,
> insufficient to support an ill-informed going in position for
> the elimination of foil and epee.
>
> I could not agree more strongly with Don Tivar and Don Robin.
>
> Don Kazimir
> .., yeah, I don't live there anymore
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Wohlers <donpieter at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Yes much better than the car analogy.
> Thanks
> P
>
> Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Andrew Heinrich <andrew.heinrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Regarding the somewhat lacking car analogy - we don't wear carpet armor
> anymore, either. It works, it's functional, and it's cheap, but we don't
> use it. And we don't use it because it breaks our evolving aesthetic, and
> is simply and objectively inferior as an armor simulator. Much like an epee
> and a foil is an objectively inferior rapier simulator.
> >
> > - Mateo
> >
> >
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