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<DIV><SPAN class=437194000-10102007><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>I agree with Don Dore that a <SPAN class=453395200-10102007>mail
</SPAN>gauntlet isn't much use give the rules he has quoted. I think the
idea behind his rationale is reasonable if we keep the concept of competition in
mind. I'm not a fan of the way we utilize blade grabbing and don't use it
in the SCA due to it's restrictive rules.<SPAN class=453395200-10102007> I
wonder if they might be modified for C&T to be less restrictive and allow
for a more period interpretation? I have little concern that someone will
wrest my C&T approved blades to the point of
breakage.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lord Gassion de
Beaumarchais</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cadet to
Don James Francis Navarre</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Mooneschadowe Insegnante</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial size=2>Control thyself, or be ruled by
another...</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
ansteorra-rapier-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-rapier-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>James Crouchet<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:32
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Ansteorra RapierNet<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ansteorra-rapier]
gauntlets and rapier<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I will correct a bit of my language
from my previous post -- this is specifically a chain mail gauntlet, not any
metal gauntlet. It is proof against CUTS, not thrusts. Here is the language
from the newest rules (which hopefully were signed in at Crown):<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Mail gauntlets shall be allowed as a parrying device and shall
protect the hand from cuts wherever it is covered by metal. Gauntlets shall
be constructed in a reasonably similar fashion to that of historical
examples. (i.e. actual chain mail and a leather glove, all chain mail,
etc.). Simulations made of cloth, paint, tape and the like shall not be used
as a mail gauntlet.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>For any other gauntlets or armor, it would
have to be played under the armor as worn rule, as Piet said. The difference
is that not only would both fighters have to agree, the tournament organizers
would have to ok it too. If you have a cool idea it should not be hard to get
that buy in.<BR><BR><BR>In answer to Brian's question, yes, you can still grab
the blade. I see no rule against it. However, given the rules I see little
advantage to grasping with it rather than a leather gloved hand.<BR><BR>In
answer to Rurik's query: No matter if the mail covers the palm or not, the
palm can still be damaged if it grabs a blade. The purpose of this
rule:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>If the blade that is grasped moves or twists in the grasping
hand, that hand is deemed disabled.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>is to reduce incidents
of fighters just hanging on to the blade and perhaps wrestling over it. Also,
it helps balance the game so the guy who's blade is grasped is not helpless.
Those needs do not change just because the hand is covered with mail. Yes, it
seems a bit unrealistic that a blade can still slice through the mail but
remember that in a real fight the person who's blade is grasped would probably
punch or kick the fighter grasping his blade. Since in most duels the fighters
were similarly armed I'll leave it to your imagination what such a punch would
do. Obviously that is not an option in our game.<BR><BR>>From a rules
standpoint, I will also point out that the latter is an SCA rule and so takes
precedence over the Ansteorra specific mail gauntlet rule (which is a kingdom
specific application of the SCA armor as worn rule).<BR><BR>So, that is the
rule no matter how you slice it ;-)<BR><BR>Christian Doré, KRM<BR><BR><BR>
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cite=mid:47839a9a0710091539p5d10c711v81586864fada1836@mail.gmail.com
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">From: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:rurikthered@swordworks.org">rurikthered@swordworks.org</A>
Also,
I assume you are talkign about a glove with only chain on the back side
and not necessarily a fine maille across the palm (like a butchers
glove)in blade grabbing, correct?
Rurik
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">So the hand with the guantlet can still be used for blade grabbing? Just
wanting to make sure.
Brian
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