Hola,<br><br>I once heard a prominent white scarf mock the idea of invitations at an academy. "Why would I want someone to try to hit me?"<br><br>Well... I didn't want to burst his bubble, but invitations and the logic behind them have been around longer than any of us have. That brings me to my point. There's nothing new under the sun.
<br><br>There are historical examples of cloak throwing in Fabris and he wasn't exactly a lightweight when it comes to theory. Likewise, Pacheco includes Spanish counters to Fabris' cloak tricks (which I have been known to share with people that attend KWARs).
<br><br>Any fencing technique has loss, benefit, and complete list of counters. (For example, an invitation closes some lines to expose others but make the corresponding defensive or counteroffensive decision easier.)<br>
<br>That fact doesn't invalidate them so much as it requires the proper application of strategy and tactics. Recognize what you gain and lose like any other technique and implement it only when appropriate.<br><br>Puck
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sean Hertzberg</b> <<a href="mailto:colsith@gmail.com">colsith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Whether folks agree or disagree with the effectiveness of throwing a<br>cloak has nothing to do with the question. The question is "what is<br>legal to do with the cloak when throwing it?"<br><br>We regulate for safety and playability. Anyone can do any dumbass
<br>move they want, as long as it is legal. So to go back to the original<br>question:<br><br>Dore, as KRM, what is legal when throwing the cloak?<br><br>Don Avery Shaw (who periodically does throw his cloak as well as many
<br>other weird things)<br>Kingdom C&T Marshal<br><br>On 10/12/07, Jeff Girard <<a href="mailto:donhenri@yahoo.com">donhenri@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> All righty then. It seems I am not getting through. I was the intermediate
<br>> and advanced teacher at AoR for a number if years. I also was the<br>> intermediate and advanced florentine teacher as well.<br>><br>> So there my bonifides.<br>><br>> The cloak is a tool. Used effectively you can do much more by NOT throwing
<br>> the cloak. That goes for small cloaks, short cloaks, heavy cloak or anything<br>> else that fits the description of cloak.<br>><br>> Don Henri Molineaux<br>><br>><br>> Kevin Wilson <<a href="mailto:kevwilson@swbell.net">
kevwilson@swbell.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Henri said:<br>><br>> Even though I have been inactive because of my series of surgeries, I am a<br>> cloak fighter and florentine. I have to wait until I'm recovered.
<br>><br>> My opinion of the whole deal is simple. Why throw your only addition<br>> weapon?<br>><br>> Don Henri Molineaux<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
<br>> ---------------------<br>><br>> I agree that throwing "away" a weapon is not a wise move. If it were a<br>> dagger or florentine, I certainly wouldn't (regardless of rules forbidding<br>> such an action). However, I don't think most use cloak as a "weapon", but
<br>> as a defensive-only secondary. I'm not losing a weapon, I'm losing a<br>> different way of defending myself. My main line of defense, my blade, is<br>> still with me, along with my primary weapon. Also, when I fight cloak, I'm
<br>> usually using a large, wool & flannel full cloak that is rather weighty.<br>> It's not as bad as Mercer's, which is dang near a comforter, but there's a<br>> heck of a lot of cloth and weight to it. If I throw it from long measure
<br>> onto an opponent's blade & arm while moving into range, I has a significant<br>> impact on the use of their blade. I still have a defensive secondary (my<br>> open hand) if I want it. Or it can be thrown as a distraction. The
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