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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 16px; RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I had a few people ask me to post this, so here it is.<BR><BR>You line everyone up and call out down the list; for each section that<BR>applies/applied to them, everyone takes one step forward. Then, you<BR>look at the 4-8 forwardmost people and seed out the teams (1 and 4 go<BR>to one team, 2 and 3 go to the other in case of 4; 1, 3, 6, and 8 in<BR>the case of 8, etc.), then alternate down the rest of the people. It<BR>seemed to me that this really balanced the teams out, which in turn<BR>made for more competitive fighting. We've all been in blow-outs, and I<BR>don't think anyone finds them especially fun. It's not perfect, but it<BR>seems to work well enough.<BR><BR>Baronial Fighting Award<BR>Baronial Rapier Champion (per year)<BR>Kingdom Rapier Champion (per
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Interesting viewpoint, and I can’t say I disagree. It would be interesting to see how that would change things, where people would get ranked differently. Maybe try it at a big practice or for a fun tourney?</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Another possible way of weighting that could be considered is based purely on skill and experience. It is more subjective, however, so naturally there would be some that would not be happy with it. But then, awards can be viewed subjectively as well.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Green: new fighters, those just starting rapier, or those who do not have an understanding of swordplay. Generally are not much of a threat to those in the other categories. </SPAN></div>
<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Yellow: fighters with some experience and skill, and will sometimes be a threat to those in ‘higher’ categories.</SPAN></div>
<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Red: fighters with enough experience and skill that they are a threat to pretty much anyone most of the time. </SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Note that no awards or titles are used. I find that the reality is, some have more or less skill than the awards or titles they hold show. Not all White Scarves are Elite. Some cadets and non-scarves have come up the ranks and been in the ‘red’ category, or even Elite before they were made part of the order. Being a cadet, or getting a Sable Talon, or QR, doesn’t bump you up a category. Improving does. </SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Also – I started using “White” for the Elite, but changed my mind. First, some will automatically assume that it means all White Scarves are part of it, which is not the case, and second, I find black seems to have more of a sense of….finality….to it. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> ansteorra-rapier-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-rapier-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jhan Knebel<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Ansteorra RapierNet<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Ansteorra-rapier] A question about how we "Weight" fighters</SPAN></div>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>Historically in Rapier, I have regularly seen weighted tournaments weighted in the same or similar ways that they are being weighted at Bryn Gwlad this weekend. </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>5 – Royal family or current/former Queen’s champions<BR>4 – White scarf or equiv or Chivalry<BR>3 – Cadets or Centurions<BR>2 – Anyone with a combat award<BR>1 – All others </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>My question is this:</div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>I am curious as to what people think of continuing to use Cadet as a determining factor, when it has no definition associated with skill level. </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>We do have awards based on skill and merit that allow us to reflect 5 levels of fighters. Granted, it does not mirror a 1 to 1 ratio for heavy fighters, but does it have to? </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>5 – Current/former Queen’s champions<BR>4 – White scarf or equiv </div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>3 – Sable Talon for Rapier</div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>I can see valid points for and against it, and just wanted to see what other people think.</div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>PLEASE NOTE: I have NO problems with the format of the tournament for this Bryn Gwlad Baronial. Many events use this or a similar formula, it was just this publication that brought these thought back to the front of my mind. I've been kicking them around since the creating of the Optio, which became the Talon.</div></DIV>
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<div class=yiv624316210MsoNormal>Rixende</div></DIV></DIV>
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