<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">I've actually watched a marshal pass a saber blade at bordermarch before because they didn't know it wasn't an epee. That situation is why I bring my saber o<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR>ut when working with new marshals.</SPAN></div>
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<DIV id=yiv1966979303>No, for the same reason I do not have to carry a modern saber blade in my bag to show a marshal that it is not allowed.
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<DIV class=yiv1966979303gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Candice Blaschke <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:solarandraste@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:solarandraste@yahoo.com">solarandraste@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Won't you still have to throw that one or two extra blades in the bag for instruction reasons, even if it is just to show new marshal's what an epee is so they don't allow them on the field? </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1966979303im>Again, then we are saying that we will need to require marshals to carry around an extra blade for instruction. One that only gets used on very rare occasions. As I said before, once in the last 7 years. For me, I do not see the point in continuing to have something that folks are going to be required to know if they are simply not being used. Why require training for something that is not happening? How many people have had an occasion to need to use or inspect an epee or a foil in the last 5 years? Not counting the Bryn Gwlad throwback event, my guess would be less than 10 total in the entire kingdom.
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<DIV class=yiv1966979303im>6 years ago, the reasoning for not dropping foils and epees was that we should let them die their natural death. 6 years later, they have done so. This rule change would simply acknowledge what has already happened. YMMV ~shrug~<BR>
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<DIV class=yiv1966979303im>(and yes, I still have a case of epees in the garage, just do not have a reason to use them)<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1966979303im>On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Kira Langsjoen <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kolfinnakyrii@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:kolfinnakyrii@yahoo.com">kolfinnakyrii@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>From your email below, Avery, you are saying that the issue is that we marshals are not being trained to inspect all the types of blades that can be used in tournaments and in practices. We are only being trained to use the "popular" ones, the heavy rapiers. Shouldn't the solution be to better train and familiarize the marshals with the inspection and use of epees/foils (which /do/ get used at practices rather often, in my experience), rather than changing the rules in a way that accommodate our inadequacies?</SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV>The main issue for this change, from what I can see (remember, I am not the one proposing this, this is my personal take on it) has less to do with the fighters using it. It is the lack of marshals that have ever seen one and would know what to look for to see if the blade in question is safe. I will use Don Lorenzo as an example, my apologies if anyone is offended. :-)
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<DIV>Don Lorenzo has been playing for around 5 years now. He is now a WS, he is the southern regional marshal, he is an authorizing marshal...and I don't know if he has ever seen an epee or a foil, let alone if he would know how to inspect one. That is just one example....how many marshals out there would look and an epee or foil and have no idea what they were supposed to do? This is not a training issue, it is just that the newer marshals have never had a chance to see one as they show up so very rarely. </DIV>
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