<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">When fighting with schlagers was added, there was already a "rapier" authorization. With the new, heavier blades, calling them "heavy rapier" made sense at the time. It simply hasn't changed. <div><br></div><div>Iago<br><div><div>On Oct 15, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Chuck Kaun wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><div dir="ltr">Exactly so...there is no "light" anywhere on the cards for rapier.<br> <br>I am curious about why and thought about something else. <br> <br>I am fairly new to the rapier community, about 4 years now. When I first started, it was not about epee/foil versus rapier but about the pre-existing smaller Rapier blades versus the new heavier Schlager blades which seemed to be in every discussion.<br> <br>That may be why we are seeing rapier versus Heavy rapier on the cards. People have merely forgoten why and are assuming it has to do with epee/foil. Is this possible?<br> <br>Karl Thorgeirsson<br> <br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:24:53 -0500<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:colsith@gmail.com">colsith@gmail.com</a><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ansteorra-rapier@lists.ansteorra.org">ansteorra-rapier@lists.ansteorra.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-rapier] Proposed revision to rapier rules<br><br>But the cards do not reflect that. The cards have three slots for Rapier.<div><br></div><div>1. Rapier Combat</div><div>2. Heavy Rapier Combat</div><div>3. Rapier Combat Marshal</div><div><br></div><div>So there is a disconnect between what you are seeing and what the cards show.</div><div><br></div><div>Avery<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Katy Hendrick<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pancua@gmail.com">pancua@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; ">From the Marshalate database.<div><br></div><div>The authorizing cards are not set up for Rapier Combat. The auth cards are set up for Light or Heavy and then Marshal. <div><br></div><div>Unless a marshal only checked off light when meant heavy, which could happen but I would like to think a Marshal would know better.</div><div><br></div><div>--Dena</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Sean Hertzberg<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:colsith@gmail.com">colsith@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; ">Um....where are you getting these numbers? If someone is authorized for "Rapier Combat" in Ansteorra, they are authed for E/F. I would be shocked if there were only 20 fighters that have that on their cards. Difference between those authorized to fight it vs those that choose to fight it.<div><br></div><div>Avery<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Katy Hendrick<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pancua@gmail.com">pancua@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; ">I think the fact that people are authorized to marshal a blade they have no clue about is a huge "broken" point. <div><br></div><div>Speaking from a simple numbers perspective, there really aren't that many fighters that fight F/E. Out of 500+ fencers, less than 20 of those are even authorized and of those 20, I know of at least 10 personally that don't fight F/E so I am not even sure why or how they got authorized.<div><br></div><div>--Dena<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Elisabeth B. Zakes<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kitharis@gmail.com">kitharis@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; "><div>Working from the statement, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," what is broken that we're trying to fix here? 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