Greetings, <br><br>Tivar wrote - <br><br>>It wasn't intended to be. I was pointing out the fallacy of banning
something *solely* >because only a few people use it, or because some
people aren't interested in it. You >said earlier that we have over
500 authorized rapier fighters. But only 34 of them are >Cut and Thrust
authorized? That's a pretty small percentage.<br><br>Except, that's a misrepresentation of the argument, which is why you're failing to point out a fallacy. The argument isn't "not enough people do this". The argument is "the use of these blades is basically dead and has been on the decline, we have progressed *past* the use of them (as they are clearly inferior simulators to actual rapiers), and a tiny fraction of actual use occurs at events." I can very easily recall the last time I saw cut and thrust at an event, and I can recall seeing pictures of Cut and Thrust at many events. The number of authorized cut and thrust combatants and marshals is on the rise, not the decline. The number of folks authorized for epee and foil seem to be propped up in part by folks who never even went through the appropriate authorization. <br>
<br>No one is attending classes like "how to maximize your efficiency with the epee" or "foil and epee for SCA rapier combat". No one is hosting epee or foil competitions, demonstrations, or tournaments. And there's a reason for that - those blades are inferior to the heavy rapier when it comes to recreating unarmored combat from the later portion of the period. <br>
<br>There is no reasonable comparison to the two, Tivar<br><br>> Being born? Well... sort of. C&T has been legal for almost seven
years (plus a few <br>> years before that as an experimental
"sidesword" program.) I did a survey a few years >ago, and most
other kingdoms had numbers similar to Ansteorra's. As best I can tell,
>C&T is a fairly small part of SCA rapier combat, and seems destined
to remain so.<div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>The number of authorized cut and thrust combatants has increased, as has the number of marshals. The program continues to grow steadily. Regular competitions, classes, and exhibitions continue to occur at events at an increasing rate. <br>
<br>The classes I have taught just recently have been well attended. Heck, I think there was well over 20 people, probably 30, in the Destreza class I taught at King's college, and nearly that many in the basic C&T class I taught before that one. <br>
<br>I doubt if I held a "epee for SCA combat" class, it would be as well attended. <br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
All this being said, I don't really have a problem with dropping foil and
epee *if* nobody is using these blades. But if they are still being used,
even if it's in relatively out-of-the-way corners of the kingdom (does
Elfsea qualify as out-of-the-way?) then I think we're doing people a
disservice to drop these blades.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Unsurprisingly, I think we're doing our fighters a disservice by keeping them in play. <br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Maybe the folks who are so adamantly in favor of getting rid of the
lighter blades should sponsor some beginners tournments in the smaller
groups, with a brand-new heavy blade as the prize.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Sure, that's actually a great idea. However, as has been pointed out many times before, you can get a good heavy rapier simulator for a pretty small investment, and you can get a *great* heavy rapier simulator for a modest investment. <br>
<br> - Mateo<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>it is good to know, it is better to do, it is best to be. <br>