[Bards] An Idea
gemartt at mail.utexas.edu
gemartt at mail.utexas.edu
Sat Aug 4 07:57:28 PDT 2001
Brothers & Sisters,
I wish to commend Robert Fitzmorgan for an excellent idea! Anything we can
do to promote the art of poetry is a worthy effort, in my
opinion. Publishing some poetic guidelines could be very helpful, not
only to our members, to anyone interested in this art. We could also
include a list of links for more information. I'm sure we could find
poets (on & off this list) would also be glad to contribute to this project.
Constructive criticism can certainly be another way of helping an artist
grow. However I would also add that "learning how to give constructive
criticism" should also be a topic for consideration. Constructive
criticism is not the same thing as saying whether one likes a poem, or
not. It is a carefully considered response - designed to help the artist -
and hopefully to encourage them.
Myself as Witness,
Thomas of Tenby
At 11:25 PM 8/3/2001, Robert Fitzmorgan wrote:
> I've had an idea that I'd like to get some discussion about.
> I would like to promote more and better poetry in Ansteorra, as well
>as get some use from this list. I'd like to suggest the creation of the
>Ansteorran Online Academy of Poetics. (AOAoP). Ok so the name probably needs
>more thought. The ideas is that bards with expertise in a poetic form will
>write an essay on how to write in that form. Other bards on this list will
>then write a poem using that form and post it to the list. They can specify
>one of three options when the post.
>1. They want a public critique of their poem on the list.
>2. They want private comment on the poem.
>3. They want no comment on the poem.
> Obviously for the purposes of teaching option 1 will be the most
>useful, but I understand that some people will be reluctant to publicly tell
>them what;s wrong with their poem. Of course people should also be telling
>you what is right about your poem but somehow a dozen positive comments won't
>stick in the mind as much as one negative comment. It requires a certain
>amount of toughness. If we do this I will post my work for public comment
>and allow the poems and the comment to be placed on the web page.
> I would like to see the essays on a web page along with some of the
>resulting poems along with the critiques of those poems so people who come in
>late can read and learn from them. Lady Simone has already done a great deal
>of work creating the Bardic Fire webpage. If she has time and is willing to
>do the work I think that would be the best place to have this. If she
>doesn't have time then I would like to ask Pug to give the Bards List web
>space on the Kingdom server. If we do this both on the list and on the web I
>would want timely updated to the web page. We could do the whole thing here
>and point new people to the archives.
> If we do this should we have some foundation setting essays on basics
>of rhyme, meter, alliteration, etc.? I would definitely want to have
>discussion of how to give and receive useful criticism, and have that
>prominently displayed on the web page. I would want to see clear guidelines
>concerning what is and is not appropriate in commenting on someone's work and
>see those guidelines enforced.
> I'd like to see different people writing the essays. When someone
>describes how to write in a particular form there should be discussion of the
>list of the essay, and any necessary corrections and improvements made. The
>corrected version should be reposted to the list and to the web page then
>people should start writing. I see no reason to have a cut off date for
>people to post their poems, we'll critique them as they come in. Poems
>should be clearly labeled as to what kind of commentary the want, and their
>wishes should be respected. People should understand that it is almost
>guaranteed that someone who is giving a private critique will accidentally
>post it publicly, and be understanding when this happens.
> Since I suggested this I would be willing to organize and run this but
>I'm pretty busy. If someone with more time and energy has a burning desire
>to be the driving force behind this I would be glad to let them run it. If
>Lady Simone does not wish to be the web master for this I do not want to do
>so myself. I just don't have the time. We don't have to have a web page to
>go with this but I think it would be better with one than without.
> I hope to use this to promote better poets and better poetry, as well
>as motivate myself and others to write more.
> My fellow bards what do you think of this idea? Will you take part?
>How many are willing to research and write essays on how to write poetry?
>How many are willing to comment on poems submitted? How many are willing to
>write poems, and how many of those are willing to have them commented on
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