[Bards] Traditions - A Poem

[Susan Bowen]

After our conversation at coronation, I have a couple of people trying to
find out the answer for us. I'll let you know if anyone finds anything
definitive.
Pippa
----- Original Message -----
From: "lanphier taylor" <jonwillowpel at juno.com>
To: <bards at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Bards] Traditions - A Poem


> Dear Philippa
>
> Do you have any information that shows that bowing to the empty throne
> was a historical custom? I know you bow at Catholic church but I didn't
> think it was a real custom to bow to empty throne. What do the English do
> in regards to their Thrones now? If it can be proven to be even a current
> custom I will withdraw my objections.
>
> Willow
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:43:49 -0500 "Susan Bowen" <philippa at ev1.net>
> writes:
> > I bow before the empty thrones, because I believe that is what
> > Philippa
> > Rookhaven would have done. I have always understood this to be more
> > of a
> > persona thing than an Ansteorran tradition. I see it as similar to
> > the Norse
> > personas who salute the throne by placing their fist over their
> > heart rather
> > than bowing. Perhaps the rhyme for this should cover the tradition
> > in
> > various cultures we study rather than assuming that there is an
> > overarching
> > Ansteorran tradition on the subject. That way people could come to a
> > decision based on who they see themselves to be in the SCA.
> > Pippa
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Anawyn at aol.com>
> > To: <bards at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Bards] Traditions - A Poem
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > In a message dated 7/10/2002 4:09:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > BMartin at corp.prodigy.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I therefore suggest that if we care to address bowing before the
> > thrones, we
> > > > teach the history given by Duchess Willow: we respectfully state
> > that
> > why
> > > > it
> > > > is a custom elsewhere, but why it is also not a custom here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > But what makes a custom? I came into the SCA some 6 years ago, and
> > followed
> > > what everyone else was doing, which was to show respect to the
> > "seat" of
> > > authority, i.e., the Crown, even if it is not occupied. I agree
> > with
> > Darius,
> > > I happen to feel that it is a touching gesture that is part of my
> > custom
> > as
> > > well as others, and was not even aware anyone did anything else.
> > > If I do it, and 5 other people do it...is it a custom? If several
> > Baronies
> > do
> > > it? If someone disagrees whether it is custom, does that change
> > what it
> > is?
> > > Are we going to run into some problems here if we do not all agree
> > on what
> > > exactly is customary? Are we going to vote at that juncture, or
> > what do we
> > > think we ought to do? Sounds like our work is more than just
> > rhymin' up a
> > > storm!
> > > Anawyn
> > >
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