[Bards] Traditions - A Poem

[Brian Martin]

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All,

I don't think that anyone is saying that bowing in front of the thrones is
"good" or "bad". We are questioning whether or not is Ansteorran tradition.
Given that much of our history and our culture has been forgotten over the
years, I think that it is important to keep in touch with our particularly
Ansteorran traditions. It is those traditions that help make our Ansteorran
culture unique from other kingdoms. Our motto is, after all, Unique and
Singular (or something close to that in Latin).

I therefore suggest that if we care to address bowing before the thrones, we
teach the history given by Duchess Willow: we respectfully state that why it
is a custom elsewhere, but why it is also not a custom here.

Having said all of that, I will also say that if someone wants to put
together a book of any sort, it can't be done by committee. Lots of input
can be welcome and considered, but at the end of the day one person or a
very small group must decide what goes in and what stays out. If someone out
there doesn't like what's been published, they can always publish their own
book.

My two cents,
Pendaran

-----Original Message-----
From: Master Darius [mailto:masterdarius at earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:52 PM
To: bards at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Bards] Traditions - A Poem


Myself I do try and remember to bow before the thrones. To me wether or not
the King and Queen are seated upon them they are a symbol of the Nobility
and Ideals we strive to identify with. These Ideals are as worthy of respect
as are the people who wear the crowns and bowing as you pass within their
presence is a sign of that respect.

I do not see how teaching this type of reverence for the ideal could be a
"bad thing"

Darius
----- Original Message -----
From: "willow taylor" <jonwillowpel at juno.com>
To: <bards at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Bards] Traditions - A Poem


> Robert, I love this poem but it does point out a problem we are going to
> have.
>
>  While it has been tradition in the Middle Kingdom to bow to the thrones
> since the time of king Thay, it has not been a required custom in our
> kingdom. According to Robert Aspirin in his Songs of the Dark Horde and
> my memory. King Thay won crown but didn't want to be King. He told
> everyone to bow to the chair because kings sat there and not to bow to
> him. This was the "now I am king now I'm not thing" that was very common
> in other kingdoms. Ansteorra wanted to make it very clear that the crown
> was in the person not things so we rejected these customs. Kingship does
> not reside in crowns or throne. The duty of the crown can not be put
> aside. Contact with other Kingdoms and some SCA literature introduces
> these concepts but they are not a native tradition. Because many people
> do not follow this custom in Ansteorra and forcibly reject the concept
> behind it I would hesitate to include it in the Courtesy book.
>
> What do all of you think?
>
> Willow
>
>


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