[Bards] badge discussion
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Mon Nov 13 08:39:09 PST 2006
On Nov 13, 2006, at 8:47 AM, Alden Drake wrote:
> I had a talk with Star Principal Herald this weekend at Defenders
> of the Rose and one of the things we discussed was the badge that
> is currently registered to the Kingdom of Ansteorra...
Woot! I'm glad that y'all discussed this. I had asked Druinne that
same question via email, but nothing beats "in person". :-)
> ... I did a search of badges registered for use by bards in the
> Known World, and it appears that no badges are registered for
> bardic communities in general. They are associated with either a
> college, guild, or companionate. So if we want to "properly" use a
> badge, we should have some identified body as such.
(After typing the following, I realized I should add this: I'm not
yelling, I'm just asking. *smile*)
No offense, Alden, but this is one of the things that I truly don't
understand about "herald-think": everything's got to have a
precedent. So... how did the first one get registered? There was no
precedent then. ;-)
And if the second (or third (or twenty-third)) occurrence was built
on a precedent, then it was a precedent that we, who've played in the
SCA over the years, *created ourselves*. So... what's to stop us from
creating other, differing precedents? Do we suddenly become unable to
create original things or have original thoughts after we've done so
Are we / must we be bound by a particular precedent? Can we not do
something (literally) unprecedented, such as change the "for use of"
qualifier to "the populace" or some such? Is that not an
"identifiable body as such"?
For that matter, there *is* a precedent for armory registered "for
use of the populace" (whatever the wording actually is): the Kingdom
ensign. Almost every kingdom has an example of this. :-)
> However, we don't have Heraldic Police going out telling people
> what they can and can't display, so it's unlikely anyone will raise
> a stink if we use the badge, except for maybe people from the old
> college who are adamant about the badge being used only by the
> Queen's College of Bards of Ansteorra.
Willow? Robin? Simone? Anyone else? Do you have an opinion about this?
> As I see it, we have some options which include (but are not
> limited to):
> 1. Solidify into a body and get permission to use the currently
> registered badge.
> 2. Solidify into a body and design a new badge.
> 3. Stay a loose association of bards and use the registered badge
> 4. Stay a loose association of bards and forget about registering a
5. Stay a loose association of bards and get permission to use the
currently registered badge.
If I had my 'druthers, I would like to get the registered badge
approved for use by the "loose association of bards" (i.e., approved
for use by anyone who wants to use it) -- which wasn't one of the
options you listed. But short of that I would just as soon use it
anyway (i.e. option "3").
It's *great* armory. It's simple, it's pretty, it concisely conveys a
very clear meaning (Ansteorran Blackstar + Irish harp, obviously has
something to do with bards in Ansteorra), and it already has some
recognition within the kingdom as "something to do with bards in
Ansteorra". I doubt that there are more than a handful of people who
would automatically identify it with the Queen's College of Bards.
In any case, I'd like to use that armory *regardless* of whether we
formally create a new political entity within the kingdom (a college
of bards, by whatever name).
> For option 1, what I proposed to Star, is pretty straight forward,
> but I've modified it based on looking at bardic badges across the
> Known World. First, we decide whether or not we want to be/have a
> solidified bardic organization. Step two is to identify what we
> want to call our organization (college, guild, companionate). Step
> three, put someone in charge of it. Step four, put together a
> petition requesting use of the badge be transferred to the new
> group and get it signed by as many bards as we can. Step five,
> have person in charge of group take the petition to the KMOAS, Star
> Principal Herald, and the Crown for approval.
> So now it's time for some more discussion on which direction we
> would like to go.
Here's my plan:
-- begin --
Step 1: put together a petition requesting use of the badge be
transferred to the general populace, and get it signed by as many
bards as we can (especially those who were members of the former
Queen's College of Bards). Meanwhile, everyone who wants to advertise
"here there be bards" should fly the banner, regardless.
-- end --
If, on down the road, we decide to create a political entity (which
even by Robin's estimate is at *least* a year away), we would still
have the armory available to use.
Besides, I see no reason for such a political entity -- if it ever
gets created -- to need its own armory (although I recognize that
there are heralds who absolutely live for creating new armory, and
who would find my thought to be heresy at best *grin*).
Nor do I see any reason to either delay using that armory until we
have created a political entity; nor to rush creating a political
entity just so we can use that armory. Those two events are not
related (or at least shouldn't be, in my opinion).
But I *do* see the value in displaying some kind of identifiable
armory *right now*, at every event any of us attend. One of the core
problems that we identified was "recognition". So, let's be sure
we're recognized! Let's all fly that banner (or something like it) at
every possible opportunity -- events, fighter practice, populace
meeting, newcomer's meetings, demos, whatever. Make it as easy for
someone (whether a newcomer or an old hand) to find a bard as it is
to find a water-bearer at a list field. Heraldry works.
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