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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
REALLY looking forward to all the roundtable, but....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There's a couple of things I'd like to propose.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>First,
that we try to agree to an agenda for the roundtable, so that we can at least
TRY to keep on task. Some things I'd like to see on the agenda:
Since I straddle two worlds, I would like to hear ideas of how we can help
strengthen the sense of community within the performance arts as a
whole. How can we best get word out to those who want to learn
performance arts, whether it be in bardic, instrumental, etc., that the best way
to learn is to talk to the bards that you admire the most (I was handed a
wonderful bit of insight one time when Master Robin gave me a nicely concise
critique of a performance which helped me let go of me and give in to the whims
of the character). How do we make bardic competitions more "public"
without hamstringing the judges ability to observe/hear the performer?
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There,
that's three.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Second, that everyone realize that we are all trying to strengthen the
bardic (and performing arts) community in Ansteorra. Changes that
might be made, whatever they are, should be slow and deliberate.
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
no expert in this area, by any measure, and I'm looking forward to spirited
discussion from those who attend.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=263053604-11052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My two
pence worth.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am,<BR>HL
Gerald of Leesville<BR>A bard of Stargate </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
bards-bounces+jerryn=houston.rr.com@ansteorra.org
[mailto:bards-bounces+jerryn=houston.rr.com@ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Esther<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Ansteorran Bardic list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bards] Question on performance
judging forms<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Comments to the point, and good, sharp points -- which beg the question,
"Who judges the Judges?"</DIV>
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<DIV>I for one, can't tell you if someone was flat, off pitch, etc. I doubt an
Elizabethan expert could accurately judge, on its specific and cultural terms,
and Anglo-Saxon skald.</DIV>
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<DIV>And how much documentation is a judge supposed to be able to read,
understand, and be able to tell if it's even good scholarship. BEcause there is
a LOT of bad scholarship out there -- what are the standards of that?</DIV>
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<DIV>Heh. </DIV>
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<DIV>Running the hell away now.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Esther<BR><BR><B><I>gail young <gwynethb63@yahoo.com></I></B>
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<DIV>My comment wasn't about having a form. It was about qualifying who
"wins". I just think it's unfair to tell a performer or an artisan "it
just didn't work for me" w/o giving some specifics about WHY.</DIV>
<DIV>The judges on American Idol do it all the time with feedback like "you
rocked dawg"...or "it was a mess".</DIV>
<DIV>I would think you could get a lot more out of someone saying "your pitch
was flat" or "you were off the beat" or "your story was too long and
complicated"<BR><BR><B><I>Jay Rudin <rudin@ev1.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gwyneth asked:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> That's great if all the judges are "moved"
by the same piece.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Also, how do you give feedback to the
others? You need to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> do more "moving" pieces?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why would having a form or not affect what
feedback I give? "You need to work on your diction" or "Your poem
doesn't scan" work exactly the same whether there's a form or not.
Feedback does not require assigning numbers in categories.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Most helpful feedback I've gotten as an
Ansteorran bard for more than 1/5 of a century has been from one-on-one
discussions. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The kingdom Eisteddfod was judged without forms
for years. The judges got together and talked about what they heard,
exchanged ideas, and came up with a winner. Feedback was offered to
anyone, and could be quite useful and pertinent.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robin of Gilwell / Jay
Rudin</FONT></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>Bards
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