I agreed with Alden. I think we don't need a patron. Our problem in the past is we put too much on our relationship with the Crown. We a certain Crown didn't like what we were doing we lost our focus. Our Focus should be Ansteorra and Ansteorra's people. If the kingdom needs our nobles and peers to do their job, but it is "The Dream" of certain nobles to play around and behave badly we can't put the historical ideals on hold just to make the powerful happy. We can't stop telling the history of Ansteorra just because we are elevating some people to role models and this might make a current big shot not look as good. If the Kingdom Hostipaler is correct and people are only staying for Five years we need to be there telling people about the high ideals of our kingdom and getting them ready to take leadership roles in our kingdom as soon as possible. I believe we can take the Current Charter and the Current Ansteorra College of Bards and turn it into anything we want. Right now the Charter is just bones. It was done that way to let us start anew and have room to grow. It is not that way to limit us. We can flesh it out. We can put purpose to it. We can take what we think is important from the Colleges of the past and make something strong and good. Willow de Wisp ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!