Someones commented that the officers I talked about were Bureaucrats and the A&S already had the job for organizing for us. I have been trying to get the A&S officers in local groups to provide the venue and promote the educational and performing situations that we need for the last 10 years. I have taken proposals to Baronial, shire, canton and kingdom officers and they have done nothing. There wasn't any thing even tried until Master Jhon was appointed. Many of the officers I talked to actively suppressed Bardic and Performing Arts. Many of the Performers/ Bard on the list have stated they need information and education. If the system was enough we would have it. When we had our own officers we did have educational and preforming venues. In Theory the officer system of the SCA should solve our problem, but in fact it hasn't. Why hasn't it solved the problem. Part of it lies in the difference between a bureaucrat/ administrator and an organizer. First Organizers can be officers, but they function differently from your standard bureaucrat. In my youth I was a professional organizer for the SOCC and AFL/CIO. I was trained in the Civil Rights Movement. A bureaucrat or administrator is working from a already establish system, usually with an Hierarchy. There are usually guidelines for doing things and goodly amount of red tape and paper work. In the SCA the main job of the A&S officer is to keep track of what is going on and report. Organizers gather people together and create social groups and interactions to solve problems. They assist people in establishing organizations. They do not administer. They assist people to set up things they need and help them to network and then they go to the next project. The paperwork and reporting is usually done by the people taking on the administration and leadership of these new activities. You asked the question why do we need official officers that do this job when we have Master Ulf, Master Robin and myself doing it unofficially. This is a very hard question and it is hard to answer. I just know I got more done when I was one of these officers then I have done working on my own. Maybe it is a matter of being legitimizes. Maybe I appear less egomaniac when I can claimed I am working for the good of a large group of people. All I know is it worked better with the Bardic College behind me. Duchess Willow de Wisp ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!