<div>A thought -- just a thought....</div> <div> </div> <div>What if the Eisteffod was a bard off of the branch champions? It would both strengthen the competition for local titled bards, and in turn strengthen the Kingdom competition.</div> <div> </div> <div>Thoughts?</div> <div><BR>Esther</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><BR><B><I>Charles Ó Floinn <thorn@raf662bravo.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C6FBAB.621E7360" rel=File-List> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"French Script MT"; panose-1:3 2 4 2 4 6 7 4 6 5; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:script; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:3 0 0 0 1 0;}
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the representative or two that then goes on to the premier event for their region who then sponsor the winner with an alternate to the Eisteddfod.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>That will shorten the time at Eisteddfod significantly by having only five Bards competing for the title.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Say, according to the math already explained in other posts, it should only take about two hours tops.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Let the five alternates vie for the deputy position in a second circle.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Another two hours.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will help to keep the event from becoming so short that others will complain about that.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Four hours and done long before Feast.
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class=emailstyle19><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>then make it the
final event of many.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>…<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Give every group the chance to run a
Bardic circle that picks the representative or two that then goes on to the
premier event for their region who then sponsor the winner with an alternate to
the Eisteddfod.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>… Let the five
alternates vie for the deputy position in a second circle.</span></font><font
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Esther<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 31, 2006
2:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ansteorran Bardic list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Bardic
college Events</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="French Script MT"><span style='font-size:20.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"French Script MT";color:#FFCC00;font-weight:bold'>Charles Ó Floinn<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Herald, Shire
of Rosenfeld,</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Kingdom of
Ansteorra, SCA</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Fitzmorgan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 29, 2006
3:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ansteorran Bardic list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Bardic
college Events</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><span class=gmailquote><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On
10/29/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Darlene Vandever</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:annescvb@gmail.com">annescvb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=4
color="#3333ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:#3333FF'>My goodness, this person is going to be asked by Their Majesties
to stand up in Court or at Feast and command the attention of a group of people...sometimes
in a very busy and noisy atmosphere! *Why* isn't it held in the center of the
main hall? Let me tell you, if a Bard could stand up and deliver a piece which
made that whole hall go quiet, (which I've seen happen at one Baronial event in
the past) then that would be a strong indication to the Judges as to their
suitablity to be the Kingdom Bard! </span></font></b></strong><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
The main hall at Twelfth Night is VERY busy and very
loud. I can get louder than most bards, but being that loud tends to
strip away a lot of the subtlety from a performance, and doing it for any
length of time can be very damaging to the voice, particularly as many of our
bards do not have any professional voice training. Many bards can't get
that loud and would have difficulty in competing. With all that noise can
chaos going on the Judges will have a hard time hearing the performances, while
the rest of the hall will have very little trouble ignoring them. The
only people who are going to hear are those who specifically go to where the competition
is and place themselves where they can hear. And these people can just a
well go upstairs to where the competitions is and where it is a bit less noisy
and a lot less chaotic. <br>
Also if it is in the middle of the hall and the
competition runs long, we have to end when they start setting up for feast
whether we are done or not.<br>
<br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=4
color="#3333ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:#3333FF'>Second, beyond the challenge of that staircase, is the fact that
if you go up there to watch or compete you are there *all day*. There is an
awful lot to see and do at Steppes. *Any* competion that lasts 7 or more hours
(in my humble opinion) is about 3 to 4 hours to long! </span></font></b></strong><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
You know, I've never really understood why some people think that
spending 6 hours in a room listening to the best bards in Ansteorra to be a bad
thing. Maybe that's just me. 8^) <br>
<br>
Suppose that we have 20 people enter this year. That
would be a fairly decent turnout. There have been more, and a lot of
people here would like there to be more. Even with a time limit, when you
figure in time for performers to get up and sit down, judges to make notes,
introductions, breaks. etc.. You will have more like 8 minuets per
performance. All 20 get to do 2 performances. That's about 320
minuets or a bit over 5 hours. Even if you get the the average down to
about 6 minuets you are still looking at 4 hours. Give the judges 30
minuets to chose the finalists then another 30 to 45 minuets for the finalists
to perform and you are looking at more than 5 hours. <br>
<br>
</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=4
color="#3333ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:#3333FF'> There are many ways to make sure that the competition is a
speedy one. The simplest is to limit the Bard to 5 minutes or less....and use a
time keeper! Every high school drama cometition does this...why can't we? </span></font></b></strong><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:76.8pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=4
color="#3333ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:#3333FF'>My 2 cents</span></font></b></strong><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><strong><b><font size=4
color="#3333ff" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
color:#3333FF'>Annes</span></font></b></strong><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br>
<br>
I for one don't want Kingdom Eisteddfod to feel
like a high school drama competition. I'm sure that's not what you meant
but I feel it could be the overall effect. Hustling people on and off the
stage as quickly as possible, "got to keep things moving", someone
with a watch calling "Time". What could be more mundane? <br>
<br>
As a storyteller, I get annoyed when I hear judges who want
documented performances done in a period style with a 5 minuet time
limit. I like to do the High Chivalric tales of France and
Provance. They were not short stories. With a lot of cutting and a
lot of pain I can squeeze some of them into a 7 minuet time limit, but at 5
minuets they pretty much aren't worth the trouble. The people of the
Middle Ages didn't have our limited attention span and our obsession with
keeping things on schedule. Yes I can do shorter stories, but the stories
that really move me and seem to move my listeners tend to be longer. It
takes time for a good story to unfold. <br>
I really feel that short time limits penalize
storytellers. I'd be interested in hearing what the other storytelles on
the list think.<br>
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