I really like what you had to say. The only problem I have is with the Kingdom bard not being an College position. It has been the only college position that we have maintained and I am not ready to give it up to the Laurels and make it another A&S standard thing. Right now we control how it is run if we break it from the College it stop being a position for Performer and become a matter of scholarship with documentation the major focus. The premier bard is our role model and reflects what we think is important. We need to keep control of it. I don't see any problem with putting the position back to its honorary head that it was before the Crowns started messing with everything. the duties inherent in the job are hard enough without having them do all the jobs a healthy college would be doing. willow ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!