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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I’ve competed in that format and had
a lot of fun with it. It was great to have to option of challenging fellow
bards in areas I was strong in. This meant that rather than competing just
against their strengths I could compete against them in other areas as well. I
know I did a piece for humor, Drinking songs, Shakespeare, and poem among
others that day. The variety and chance to perform more made the competition a
lot more fun. I also found that I received a lot more feedback from the “judges”
during that competition which proved very helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Fitzmorgan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 15, 2006
9:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Topic:
Comparisons</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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One format I have used approaches the martial tournament form. The Bards
in the competition all meet in the morning and are handed a number of
tokens. Throughout the day the Bards challenge one another and wager
tokens on the outcome. The Bards determine the nature of the challenge
and choose a judge or judges acceptable to both of them. At the end of
the day the Bards meet again and the 3 or 4 Bards with the most tokens go into
a final round that is judged by the retiring Bardic Champion and the local
Nobles. <br>
The Barony of Northkeep often uses this format with
the added provision that the final round must be an extemporaneous piece
composed on site to a given topic. <br>
It's a lot of fun, you get as much bardic in as you
want, and it involves the populace in the process of choosing the Bardic
Champion. It also allows the people competing for, or running, the
championship to do other things throughout the day without being tied to a
particular place for a long period of time. <br>
A couple of things you want to look out for
though. Don't allow more than three bards in any particular challenge and
don't allow wagering more than one token per bard per challenge. This
prevents 4 or 5 bards who are way behind at the end of the day from throwing
all their tokens in one big multi-bard challenge and going from way behind to
top of the list on one performance. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 12/14/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Michael
Silverhands</span></b> <<a href="mailto:silverhands@sbcglobal.net">silverhands@sbcglobal.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Gerald wrote:<br>
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> At Stargate Yule a question was asked; why must the A&S and bardic<br>
> champion<br>
> be announced as a "surprise" to the winner, while the martial<br>
> community has<br>
> the "advantage" of knowing the winner at the end of the final
round.<br>
><br>
> My answer was simply that we can't compare the two; they are oil<br>
> and water.<br>
> ...<snip>...<br>
> But the biggest difference, in my opinion, is that of the ability <br>
> to call a<br>
> blow.<br>
<br>
Exactly. Martial combatants judge themselves; bardic competitors are<br>
judged by others.<br>
<br>
In martial combat, there's usually just one judge who determines the<br>
winner (the fighter who calls the blow). He or she knows immediately <br>
when that occurs.<br>
<br>
In bardic competitions, there's usually a panel of judges who<br>
determine the winner. They need time to talk among themselves, tally<br>
scores, compare results, discuss their opinions, and choose a winner. <br>
Competitions are *very* rarely so objective in their scoring that the<br>
winner could be immediately (or even quickly) determined; the<br>
subjective element takes time to resolve.<br>
<br>
Alden wrote:<br>
<br>
> ... It may just be tradition that keeps us from revealing the <br>
> winner until court. Maybe "artistic folk" just like
the added<br>
> drama, or perhaps we just default to the attitude we extend to<br>
> awards, where we carefully guard the knowledge to maintain the <br>
> surprise.<br>
><br>
> In thinking about this, I think it might be fun to hold a bardic<br>
> competition, where the running scores are announced at the end of<br>
> each round. Then after the final round, the competition
organizer <br>
> could really play up the reading of the scores to announce the winner.<br>
><br>
> Alden<br>
><br>
<br>
A la "Last Comic Standing" (or "So You Think You Can
Dance", or any<br>
of the other crop of artist competitions on TV)? I like this idea. :-) <br>
<br>
It would just require that the judges have previously worked out<br>
clear and consistent criteria for scoring, thus making it possible<br>
for them to determine and announce the winner quickly.<br>
<br>
Michael<br>
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-- <br>
"If you haven't found something strange during the day, it hasn't been
much of a day." John A. Wheeler<br>
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<a href="mailto:Fitzmorgan@gmail.com">Fitzmorgan@gmail.com </a><br>
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