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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Forwarded Message ----<BR>From: Della H <elf_kind1980@yahoo.com><BR>To: engtrktwo@earthlink.net<BR>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:21:21 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Bards] Situations That Ruin Bardic Circles<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">My message was in no way meant to single you out as dishonorable. I very humbly offer sincerest apologies if it was interpreted that way (that's a whole e-mail losing tone rant of mine). I might offer you a little insight into my thinking. I owe you that, in the very least. From the time that I was very young, I was brought up in the opera arena. They are to put it mildly a very stuffy group. If someone where to even be suspected of having a cell phone in the audience or doing anything except listening with rapt attention, you were considered rude and asked to leave (presumably to be taken out into the streets to be drawn and quarted). It has been a very difficult adjustment to me to come into much more lax settings, which I enjoy just as much if not more, having been programmed with this practically my whole life. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">To that end, I stand corrected. I hope that I have not offended you, but if I have I again offer my sincerest apologies. It was most certainly not my intent and if there is anything that I can do to make amends, please let me know.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Della</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo@earthlink.net><BR>To: Ansteorran Bardic list <bards@lists.ansteorra.org><BR>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:35:51 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Bards] Situations That Ruin Bardic Circles<BR><BR>
<DIV>I have some huge problems with the implications of this message.<BR><BR>Della H wrote:<BR>> It doesn't take much to get over ones self and be courteous and polite.<BR>I don't like this, to "get over ones self" implies an ego or <BR>over-inflated self image. I am not comfortable here characterizing any <BR>person or theoretical person that way. And as this was in response to my <BR>post, I certainly hope that neither of these were directed at me.<BR>> It may not be your first choice of doing things and I don't care.<BR>I am not suggesting or advocating a cavalier attitude about how the <BR>"master of ceremonies" deals with his events or entertainment. Quite to <BR>the contrary, as a bard, historian and site herald, I have come to hold <BR>considerable influence in many activities, and I respect these powers <BR>like an officer of the law respects the loaded firearm on his hip. Each <BR>has their time and place, and each should be used with the utmost
in <BR>care and reservation.<BR><BR>I am truly bothered, however by the idea that you do "not care". This <BR>means to me that you are not aware of my priorities, and have no wish to <BR>understand them.<BR>> Frankly I don't care who you are, but it is NEVER okay to interrupt <BR>> someone while they are performing. Get someone to go in after to pick <BR>> things up, but understand that it is NEVER okay to interrupt someone <BR>> while they are performing. Okay...I'll say it again to make sure that <BR>> everyone understands. _It is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER okay to interrupt <BR>> someone while they are performing._<BR>As far as I am concerned, this statement is one long string of flawed <BR>ideas. I could put this more delicately, but the implications of the <BR>above words do not warrant a light touch at this point.<BR><BR>First, and most importantly, the word "Never" renders this statement <BR>void to me. It is an absolute
with no consideration for any <BR>circumstances or the people involved. It broadens the topic beyond the <BR>scope of the conversation and narrows the options of any person involved <BR>beyond reason.<BR><BR>Any performing artist is capable of both imparting great pleasure and <BR>great discomfort. depending on the circumstances. The idea that <BR>'Get[ing] someone to go in after to pick things up' will work as a <BR>universal answer does not even begin to take into account some of the <BR>poor performance characteristics that have been spoken about on this <BR>list. Nor does it address how to deal with people who were driven off, <BR>insulted or hurt by the previous performance.<BR><BR>And perhaps the reason closest to me, is with the idea that a bard as <BR>the inherent right to complete their performance uninterrupted. And to <BR>further suggest that this right is coupled with, or protected by the <BR>accepted code of honor within the society is
nonsense.<BR><BR>Here I present the body of my argument:<BR><BR>Suppose I am putting my infant son down for a noon nap when a group of <BR>bards spontaneously starts singling loudly outside my tent. Am I <BR>supposed to wait until the song is over before I tell them my son is <BR>trying to sleep?<BR><BR>I am at a bardic Circle with a twelve-year-old child who wants to <BR>perform, and someone starts singing a song who's lyrics are wholly <BR>inappropriate for children. Do you honestly expect me to clasp the <BR>child's ears shut and spirit them from the circle?<BR><BR>I am hosting a bardic circle at my campfire and someone starts singing. <BR>Fifteen minutes later they are still singing, they are not that good, <BR>the others are looking like they want to leave or have left already, and <BR>there is no end in sight. Do I just give this person free reign of the <BR>camp fire I built in my camp while my friends and other guests are not <BR>enjoying
themselves?<BR><BR>A bard has elected to perform in the feast hall uninvited. Her <BR>performance (aside from being barely audible half way across the hall) <BR>is holding up the first course, which is supposed to be heralded in.<BR>OR....<BR>A bard has elected to perform in the feast hall uninvited, few can her <BR>and the Baron had promised a several jugglers that they would get to <BR>perform first.<BR>OR...<BR>A bard is singing "mature" lyrics in the feast hall and their are <BR>children present.<BR><BR>I am hosting a bardic circle where the agreed time limit is seven <BR>minutes. Someone just broke fourteen minutes, eyes have been rolling for <BR>five now, and this guy looks like he has a few more minutes left. As the <BR>host, am I powerless to enforce my own rules?<BR><BR>I am entertaining guests at my camp, and their are many fine <BR>performances and much revelry. A good friend arrives late, is asked to <BR>perform, and launches into a song that was
just preformed and not overly <BR>well received. Is my honor lessened if I cut him off and tell him?<BR><BR><BR>Dalla said:<BR>"Now we all understand that is NEVER okay to interrupt someone while <BR>they are performing..."<BR><BR>This is wrong. Such a statement dos not protect anyone near as much as <BR>it potentially emboldens the wrong people. There ARE people on this list <BR>who most of us have never seen or talked to. and while none of our <BR>conversation is binding law, it does serve as as a guide to the new, the <BR>remote and the shy within our ranks. To make such a statement in <BR>absolute is so irresponsible because rather than take into account the <BR>situation and its merits, it tells people that their is a simple answer. <BR>And furthermore, it is an answer that crowns, landeds, mothers and <BR>fathers, hosts, autocrats and feast-o-crats, hall stewards, site heralds <BR>or sleeping gentles will not necessarily agree with. But more
<BR>importantly, in my view, this answer could disastrously embolden a new <BR>or inexperienced bard to rebuke a well-earned interruption, even when <BR>the balance of the fault rests in their own lap.<BR><BR>Please understand me, I am not saying that as bards we live at the mercy <BR>of the crowd and are free to be walked over like old rugs left out in <BR>the rain. We have the right to dignity, respect, and integrity. We have <BR>the right to recount what we see and experience. We have the right to <BR>decline a performance, and the right to be honest when asked why.<BR><BR>But we do not have the right to trump all other circumstances in <BR>absolute by virtue of the fact that we managed to start our performance. <BR>To say this is to void any discussion about the rights of our audience, <BR>and to tie the hands of those that we task with managing the day to day <BR>functions of events and guild meetings. I am by no means comfortable <BR>with this absolute. By no means
at all.<BR><BR>And finally, as to the point of "dishonor".<BR>To interrupt is a bad thing, but to call a person's honor into question <BR>when they do it without regard for motive, rational or cause is the <BR>bigger dishonor.<BR><BR>Lord Ivo Blackhawk<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Bards mailing list<BR>Bards@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><A href="http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bards-ansteorra.org</A></DIV></DIV>
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