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<DIV><SPAN class=201325011-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
disagree. I did my dead-level best to try to avoid making the etiquette
outline apply only to singing/music. I think that the etiquette outline
should hold true across the board. Now, my references are for
singing/music, because I know of them, so that might be what you're asking
for. Of course, this counts as a request for comment, so ... ladies,
gentlemen, comments?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am,<BR>HL
Gerald of Leesville<BR>A bard of Stargate </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Esther<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 14, 2007 12:39 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Ansteorran Bardic list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bards] Beginning Bard Bruhaha
(was RE: A small Bardic survey....) [not as long as some of my other posts, but
....]<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Okay, instead of "list", see "outline". I really LIKE how you structured
this outline of learning and teaching, but it IS an outline about music and
singing, I'd like to see the Outline you sketched, sketched in in other
disciplines.</DIV>
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<DIV>Esther<BR><BR><B><I>Gerald Norris <jerryn@houston.rr.com></I></B>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Esther, I think I'm confused. What list? As for
beginning/baby bards ....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think one can get so caught up in the idea that classes can teach many
things that we try to use the tool to teach a thing that is, at it's
essence, undefinable. Can Finnecan teach story-telling? He might
be able to offer what works for him, but it doesn't mean that it works for
everyone. He can't teach you how to read an audience, though he can tell
you SOME things to look for.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think there are two types of "beginning" bards; those who have already learned
how to use their talents and are looking for ways to express them in the SCA,
and those who want to find out what talents they may have, so that they may
some day be able to tell a story that brings Finnacan to tears, sing a song
that sends Gerald to his feet cheering and clapping, or recite a poem that
leaves Robin open-mouthed in wonder. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>For
the first, it's simple etiquette and resources that will do them the most
good. For the latter, etiquette and resources are good starting points
along with the admonition to try things out. Seek those who seem to do
well in these things and ask to perform for them. Ask their advice and
listen to them with an objective ear. Can't stand criticism? Don't
ask. But it's a harder road to doing well if all that is sought is
praise.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>There's so much more to this than what can be said on a page, taught in
an hour, or several. If you're a "beginning" bard on the list (and
folks, there are days, many of them in which I throw my hat in the beginners
circle with no shame), then your best first step is to use such tools as this
very list to ask a question about something in bardic that interests you, with
the caveat that using mailing lists for advice/learning has it's
drawbacks. Get in contact with people that do the things that inspire
you and ask them for information; even guidance.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Above all realize that every bard on this list worthy of the label
desires to help others join this merry fellowship almost as much as they
desire to perform. I will use Robin as an example. Robin is a
member of the following orders; white scarf, pelican, and laurel, along
with other honors. It tends to make him busy at just about any event
that he goes to. But he wants to teach, and he wants to encourage new
talent of whatever form. Even though he's busy, if you use this list to
contact him, and emails to communicate with him, the likelihood is that he
will try to find time to talk with you, perhaps encourage you to perform, and
even comment should you desire. The same is true with many on this list
whom others consider to be "good" bards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
thirty minute class, even an hour class, is basically good for very basic
techniques and a relaying of resources. The learning is done by
watching, observing, getting past the point of just being entertained when Mea
stands and sings, Alden gives a poem that causes the ladies to get teary-eyed,
or Rhiannon plays a piece that lifts the heart, and looking at the moments as
they happen to find the things that speak to you, and taking them home and
practicing them; in front of a mirror, out loud, sitting, standing,
whatever. That's how the good bards learn.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=192485902-14052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Or
so I've been told.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>In service to the dream with a song in my heart, I am,<BR>HL
Gerald of Leesville<BR>A bard of Stargate </FONT></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Esther<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:12 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Ansteorran Bardic list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bards] A small Bardic
survey....<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I think this is an excellent list!</DIV>
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<DIV>I would love to see one, perhaps from our Kingdom bard, on basic,
beginning storytelling.</DIV>
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<DIV>And I'd love to see one on the poetry side of things, as well, perhaps
from Master Robin?</DIV>
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<DIV>And I would love to see Baroness Rhiannon's and Maggie's take, too.
I'd especially like to see Maggie take this structure that Gerald has laid
out, and give her perspective on non-European cultures, too.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am a baby bard, someone who would be taking these classes. That's why
I'm not chiming in -- I simply don't know enough!</DIV>
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<DIV>Esther<BR><BR><B><I>Gerald Norris <jerryn@houston.rr.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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Bardic Class<BR><BR>I think too often we flood basic bardic classes with
attempts at talking<BR>technique and style, when we should be talking
etiquette and resources.<BR>Where do you learn the tunes for these songs?
Where do you find the tunes<BR>for Irish traditional music? English country
dances? Early History Music?<BR><BR>Start with this. <BR><BR>1) Bardic
Etiquette <BR>- be aware of your surroundings and your audience. To spell
this<BR>out, a) if another performer is doing something nearby and your
performance<BR>might distract from that, then hold off and wait for them to
finish, b) if<BR>there are children in the audience, try to hold the
language to at least a<BR>PG rating<BR>- You do not have the right to
perform for anyone whether they want<BR>you to or not - you have the right
to ask if you can perform and to abide by<BR>the decision once it's
given.<BR>- Practice, practice, practice.<BR>- Offer critique to another
bard only if they ask for it - don't<BR>volunteer (you can ask if they would
like a critique of the performance, but<BR>"No." means "No." no matter how
much you think your advice might improve the<BR>performance<BR>- If you ask
for critique, take it with a smile, and don't take it<BR>personally. Period.
If it sounds like snotty advice, thank whoever you<BR>asked, and move along,
pilgrim.<BR>- If you hate hearing a particular song/story/poem, shut up, go
get<BR>a drink, and come back after the song's been sung. Whining will get
you<BR>nowhere.<BR>- Use common sense. This list can't tell you everything
you need to<BR>know about bardic etiquette. New to bardic? Go to a circle
and observe<BR>(that's right, WATCH). See how the others are acting and
don't go to the<BR>lowest common denominator. The same holds true if you're
new to an area,<BR>even if you're an old hat to bardic in Ansteorra, the
Calontirii may do<BR>things differently. Do your best to be polite, don't be
rude, and if<BR>someone else is rude and jumps in front of you, the
injustice will not be<BR>righted by your returned rude response. Rise above
the occasion, and when<BR>it finally comes your turn, perform your piece and
enjoy the moment, and<BR>share that joy with others. That's the reason we're
all doing this in the<BR>first place, right?<BR>- Beware modern rip-offs -
they are rarely as funny as people who<BR>perform them think they are. <BR>-
If you're performing and other people are talking, don't huff -<BR>many of
these people are old friends gathered from distant lands. If you<BR>can't
hold the attention of the audience it's not their fault. <BR><BR>2) Bardic
Resources<BR>- Ansteorran bardic web page<BR>- Ansteorran bardic mailing
list<BR>- Cantaria<BR>- Digital Traditions<BR><BR>In service to the dream
with a song in my heart, I am,<BR>HL Gerald of Leesville<BR>A bard of
Stargate <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org<BR>[mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org]
On Behalf Of Genie Barrett<BR>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:16 AM<BR>To:
Ansteorran Bardic list<BR>Subject: [Bards] A small Bardic
survey....<BR><BR>Hi everyone,<BR><BR>I have agreed to teach a basic bardic
class at Steppes Artisan.<BR><BR>Do you have any suggestions/requests
regarding what to include in the class?<BR><BR>I would rather make it more
inclusive than just "bardic" which can have such<BR>a narrow meaning, and
include basic bardic etiquette and all.<BR><BR>Should I include how to find
bardic music info?<BR><BR>Any other suggestions would be very much
appreciated.<BR><BR>Thanks<BR>Maggie MacPherson<BR>Glaslyn's Bardic
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