Dear People I have been doing a lot of conversations with individual that were leaving the SCA. I have been trying to find out why they did not find us fun. I have found a trend and I am going to share this information with you. You personally may not be guiltily of this mistake. I know I have been. It is important for us to think about this problem and maybe set up some guild lines to avoid it in the future. Many of the younger people -those 25 and younger- look at organization differently than us older people. They have spend their whole lives in bureaucratic systems. Mostly well ran systems. Their experiences have shown them that if the officers or someone in power gives them a passive "no" then it is of no used to continue with the plans. They do not like to have interpersonal conflict and avoid conflict as much as they can. I talked to many of them and gave them scenario and asked them what the would do. This is what they told me. You go to an officer, noble (this including non landed, Baron/ess or autocrate and suggest an idea and the person tells you without and positive statement, "Put it in writing." Most of the people I talked to said they would take this as a no. It is a put off. The individual thinks the idea is bad and plans to axe it. The individual does not plan to present it in a way to give it a fair shake. Now if the person makes some kind of personal statement that implies that it is a worthwhile idea and may stand a chance then it is not a "No". If the person think someone in the officialdom would be behind it they are willing to write it down. Also they are happier if they have the chance to present their idea to decision makers. If Someone goes to the perceived people in charge and the individual says, "I will get back to you." and doesn't within the week most people take this as a "No. If someone goes to the people in charge with an idea and the person start talking about how they don't have enough people to do X,Y or Z the individual usually thinks this is "NO". If the people looks away, or doesn't listen or replies with non enthusiastic voice people often think that these are cues to tell you that the idea is unacceptable without actually saying no, but it is a "No". One of the Common reason that people drift out of the SCA is that they feel "shut out", "not listened to" and "are not able to do things that interest them". I know many of our groups in the Central are begging people to do things. We must be failing in our communication. People are not understand us and we are not understanding them. I have experienced this problem of changes in the meaning of words and actions about four times in my life in the SCA. I joined in AS. 3. The only solution is to change how we are communicating. We must change it does no good to try to change the newer people. They are coming from the baseline culture. In my everyday life I have been a paid organizer and recruiter. I have been paid to make action groups. The first stage is to look at your communications. Think about it and if someone comes to you with an idea be sure to start out positive. Be careful not to be to positive. "That is an interesting idea. Let me look into it and see if it is doable." Please Remember if the person can cover the cost and has the people and resources they should be allowed to do something as long it isn't illegal, immoral or just really hokey or against the values or purposes of the SCA. If it is too hokey or against the values or purposes of the SCA please take the time to mutate the idea so it is acceptable. Duchess Willow de Wisp -one of the ancient founders of Ansteorra. _____________________________________________________________ Click for military loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://tagline.untd.us/fc/Ioyw6iifTKSFxqIUG31h92vLIP2JQDO1CgPhIrKq8b2f2f3vS749cm/