So, from now on, I promise, if I filk, it will ONLY be to 'The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald'.<br><br>Running away, very, very, very fast.<br><br>Emma<br><br><b><i>Ken Theriot <kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"> <!--[if !mso]> <style>
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mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType></o:SmartTagType><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Your Excellency,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">You’re absolutely right. In hindsight I should not have mentioned that specific song. Stan Rogers is not truly all that well-known and using his music for filk probably affects many fewer people than the really
obviously top-40 stuff, and should be put into a different category of “taboo.” I let my own specific status as “uber-fan” of the man color my judgment. I think I even mentioned in my own post that people should use tunes that are not well-known for filk, and Stan Rogers actually fits into that category. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">So I apologize for my statement regarding that particular song. Just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean 99 percent of everyone else hearing it is going to be snapped out of their mood because of it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Thank you for pointing it out.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Kenneth <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%">
</span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Lou Burgin [mailto:lburgin@gt.rr.com] <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 21, 2008 6:55 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran Bardic list</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">My Dear Sir Kenneth, Even though I agree about "bad filk", I must
put another side to things. The particular song you referenced, I heard the filk first. I had never heard of Stan Rogers until I was told where that song came from. The song in and of itself is not grossly mundane unless you know the original. I understand your point of view, but everyone has their own yardstick of "acceptable" mundanity. Yours is obviously shorter than mine. You know that I love you and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:place></st1:City>, so I hope I am not sounding too critcal. I am just presenting the other side of the coin. Thanks for letting me share. H <st1:place w:st="on">E AmberLea</st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"> <div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div style=""> <div class="MsoNormal" style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" title="kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">Ken Theriot</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a
href="mailto:bards@lists.ansteorra.org" title="bards@lists.ansteorra.org">'Ansteorran Bardic list'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:55 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><</span></font>Their mundaneness then trickled down into our humble camp via many others where it proceeded to fight us for our own suspension of disbelief.><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I feel I must jump in here as the above statement relates directly to our craft. For me, bardic performances have provided some of the few golden moments in my SCA career (over 20 years now…uggh) when I felt the “magic” of being lost in that long-ago we come to the SCA to find. So even though not all of my performance pieces are intended to do that (The Feast Song, for example, is meant to evoke a magic of another kind…laughter), one thing I try REALLY hard to do is NOT snap
people out of their suspension of disbelief. That is the ultimate no-no as far as I’m concerned. So this is why <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:City></st1:place> and I are so against the fairly common practice in the bardic community of “bad filk.” Notice I didn’t say “all filk.” To me, creating a bardic performance from a blatantly modern song is what snaps me out of my “suspension of disbelief.” Go ahead and filk other original SCA songs, no problem (as long as you credit the original composer/author), and filk unknown tunes, or heaven-forbid, filk to a period tune. But please, please, please STOP filking to Stan Rogers Songs, or top 40 songs. NOTHING brings me out of the dream faster than a filk to “Will the Circle Be Unbroken,” or “Take me Home Country Roads.” And since in my mundane life, Stan Rogers was like a god to me, I was horrified to hear “<st1:place w:st="on">Northwest Passage</st1:place>”
filked (and using many of the same lyrics of Stan’s song!!!) in Ansteorra! Talk about a dream killer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">So while we are calling for the halt of the dream-killers, let us also look to our own craft to bring this about.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Kenneth <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <hr tabindex="-1" align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> an angel in black ink [mailto:angelinblackink@yahoo.com] <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:02 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> ansteorra bard list<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Dream? What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I
didn't!</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thank you for your kind words, Elanor, it means a lot to me for you to say such things. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Now, Svetlana, I feel that I must clarify for you. I’m not wanting to change the way <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">people play, I just want them to play. You see, I’ve stumbled upon <U1:CITY><U1:PLACE><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Laurel</st1:City></st1:place></U1:PLACE></U1:CITY> camps filled<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> with people talking about their mundane jobs and such and been so turned away from<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> the dream that I had to leave and return to my own. Their mundaneness then trickled<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> down into our humble camp via many others where it proceeded to fight us for our own<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> suspension of disbelief. We eventually won but my point is that we need to pay<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> attention to what we’re doing or we might ruin it for others. Also, there have been a<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="TimesNew Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "TimesNew Roman";"> load of people bringing the mundane into our game *cough* ‘mod squad’ *cough*</span></font><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> which ruins it for many people who don’t give a damn about why they’re mad at <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">so-and-so. The politics are getting out of hand. People are getting turned off by the <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">vast freakiness of it all. (example: “I believe this, but I can’t say it because it’ll tick off<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <insert name(s) here and they’ll make my life a living hell for it.>”) It’s ridiculous. Even<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> now there are those who will speak privately but do not post their feelings here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font
face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yes, there are people who are deep within the Dream and perhaps I am a bit jaded by<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> all the silliness, but these people need to share their Dream with those who don’t know.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I said it in my Work, to be without blame is nearly impossible while being a part of the <o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">community. We have a responsibility to see that the next generation of SCAdians know<o:p></o:p></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:
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