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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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worship of Gordon Lightfoot?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Esther
[mailto:reese_esther@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 21, 2008 10:42
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Dream? What
Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So, from now on, I promise, if I filk, it will ONLY be to 'The Wreck of
the Edmund Fitzgerald'.<br>
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Running away, very, very, very fast.<br>
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Emma<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Ken Theriot
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You’re absolutely right. In
hindsight I should not have mentioned that specific song. Stan Rogers is
not truly all that well-known and using his music for filk probably affects
many fewer people than the really obviously top-40 stuff, and should be put
into a different category of “taboo.” I let my own specific
status as “uber-fan” of the man color my judgment. I think I
even mentioned in my own post that people should use tunes that are not
well-known for filk, and Stan Rogers actually fits into that category. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So I apologize for my statement regarding
that particular song. Just because I don’t like it doesn’t
mean 99 percent of everyone else hearing it is going to be snapped out of their
mood because of it.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Lou Burgin
[mailto:lburgin@gt.rr.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 21, 2008 6:55
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName u3:st="on"><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Ansteorran Bardic list</st1:PersonName></st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Dream? What
Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My Dear Sir Kenneth, Even though I agree about
"bad filk", I must put another side to things. The
particular song you referenced, I heard the filk first. I had never heard of
Stan Rogers until I was told where that song came from. The song in and
of itself is not grossly mundane unless you know the original. I
understand your point of view, but everyone has their own yardstick of
"acceptable" mundanity. Yours is obviously shorter than mine.
You know that I love you and <st1:City u3:st="on"><st1:place u3:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:place></st1:City></st1:place></st1:City>,
so I hope I am not sounding too critcal. I am just presenting the other side of
the coin. Thanks for letting me share. H <st1:place u3:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">E AmberLea</st1:place></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com" title="kentheriot@ravenboymusic.com">Ken
Theriot</a> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bards@lists.ansteorra.org" title="bards@lists.ansteorra.org">'Ansteorran
Bardic list'</a> <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday, April 20,
2008 12:55 PM<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Bards] Dream?
What Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><</span></font>Their mundaneness then
trickled down into our humble camp via many others where it proceeded to fight
us for our own suspension of disbelief.><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I feel I must jump in here as the above statement relates directly to
our craft. For me, bardic performances have provided some of the few
golden moments in my SCA career (over 20 years now…uggh) when I felt the
“magic” of being lost in that long-ago we come to the SCA to
find. So even though not all of my performance pieces are intended to do
that (The Feast Song, for example, is meant to evoke a magic of another
kind…laughter), one thing I try REALLY hard to do is NOT snap people out
of their suspension of disbelief. That is the ultimate no-no as far as
I’m concerned. So this is why <st1:place u3:st="on"><st1:City u3:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Adelaide</st1:City></st1:place></st1:place></st1:City>
and I are so against the fairly common practice in the bardic community of
“bad filk.” Notice I didn’t say “all
filk.” To me, creating a bardic performance from a blatantly modern
song is what snaps me out of my “suspension of disbelief.” Go
ahead and filk other original SCA songs, no problem (as long as you credit the
original composer/author), and filk unknown tunes, or heaven-forbid, filk to a
period tune. But please, please, please STOP filking to Stan Rogers
Songs, or top 40 songs. NOTHING brings me out of the dream faster than a
filk to “Will the Circle Be Unbroken,” or “Take me Home
Country Roads.” And since in my mundane life, Stan Rogers was like
a god to me, I was horrified to hear “<st1:place u3:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Northwest Passage</st1:place></st1:place>” filked (and using
many of the same lyrics of Stan’s song!!!) in Ansteorra! Talk about
a dream killer.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So while we are calling for the halt of the dream-killers, let us also
look to our own craft to bring this about.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> an angel in
black ink [mailto:angelinblackink@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:02
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ansteorra bard list<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] Dream? What
Dream? Did you see a Dream? I know I didn't!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you for your kind words, Elanor, it means a lot to me for you to
say such things. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Now, Svetlana, I feel that I must clarify for you. I’m not
wanting to change the way <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>people play, I just want them to play. You see, I’ve stumbled
upon <U1:CITY><U1:PLACE><st1:place u3:st="on"><st1:City u3:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Laurel</st1:City></st1:place></U1:PLACE></U1:CITY></st1:place></st1:City>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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turned away from<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> the dream that I had to leave and return to my own. Their
mundaneness then trickled<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> down into our humble camp via many others where it proceeded to
fight us for our own<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> suspension of disbelief. We eventually won but my point is
that we need to pay<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> attention to what we’re doing or we might ruin it for
others. Also, there have been a<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="TimesNew Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"TimesNew Roman"'> load of people bringing the mundane
into our game *cough* ‘mod squad’ *cough*</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> which ruins it for many people who don’t give a damn about
why they’re mad at <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>so-and-so. The politics are getting out of hand. People are
getting turned off by the <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>vast freakiness of it all. (example: “I believe this,
but I can’t say it because it’ll tick off<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <insert name(s) here and they’ll make my life a living
hell for it.>”) It’s ridiculous. Even<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> now there are those who will speak privately but do not post
their feelings here.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yes, there are people who are deep within the Dream and perhaps I am a
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> all the silliness, but these people need to share their Dream
with those who don’t know.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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