And it was funny, and it was applauded as such.<br><br>On the other side of this coin, it's much easier to get applause for a filk than it is to get feedback and comment on attempting period forms, or at least that's been my experience for the last 15 years. So I don't try anymore, which is probably just as well, because as bards go, I'm a poor one.<br><br>Emma<br><br><b><i>James Rushin <dweezle@pcsok.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
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color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For the love of the Gods!! This is exactly why I don’t post to lists. I could go on and on and rebuke different points and argue my “case” as it where. But I don’t have to. Its been done by countless numbers of people over many different lists ever since I began playing 10 years ago. But this was posted in fun. As to singing it at an event, I wouldn’t even sing it to my
wife while sitting in front of the computer after I filked it. I personally am quite tired of hearing the whole argument for and against filk, its been beaten to death and bantered over for at least 10 years. It’s a Game played in Fun. I wish we could remember that and keep it that way.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Allon<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium
medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Theriot<br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:53 PM<br> <b>To:</b> 'Ansteorran Bardic list'<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bards] My apologies to John Travolta and the Beegees, but it just kind of happened<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">OK, just as an example of what I was saying before….this is all in good fun, and appropriate for certain venues. I can certainly appreciate it in that way. But may I please make an appeal to everyone to NOT sing
this at an event, at least not until it is well after midnight and sufficiently drunk out? I know I’m gonna get yelled at, and I don’t mean to kick anyone’s puppy. But I just wish the bardic arts in Ansteorra could steer itself away from filks to obviously modern songs. It starts out as something everyone gets a good laugh at, and then before you know it, people are singing it at competitions and bardic circles, and it spreads and can’t be contained. So what is wrong with it? Well first and foremost, it is illegal. The song this was filked to (and I could name half a dozen others that I have recently heard sung <u>in competitions</u> that are in the same category) is under active copyright. That means the tune AND the words. Most of the filks I hear actually don’t even change that many words from the original! I have literally heard someone sing a song that was identical to the modern original except for changing one
word to “Ansteorra.” When you publicly perform a copyrighted work that is not your own, you break the law. And guess who is liable? Not you! The person/group performing the copyrighted song is not who would be sued in the event of legal action. It is the venue. So technically, any of the sites where we hold events could literally be sued for copyright infringement if one of our members performs a song under active copyright. Even if the filker changed every word, and wrote a completely new lyric (would that it were so!!!), the use of the tune is still protected. Secondly, as I mentioned in an earlier post on filk, obviously modern tunes can snap people out of the medieval reverie. You would NEVER blast a boom box of The BeeGees in the middle of an event. So how is this any different? We strive to avoid it in every other area, but seem to actively encourage it in our art.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">I recently judged the bardic competition (with Dona Antonia) at Squires and Cadets, and one competitor sang a filk called “Always a Herald to Me.” The mere fact that I am a huge Billy Joel fan in my mundane life is the main reason why that performance killed the SCA atmosphere for me. I had “Always a Woman to Me” stuck in my head the rest of the day. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Don Mateo, who is an excellent bard recently moved into Ansteorra, has a great filk story. He said he wrote a filk several years ago, and stuck the paper away somewhere. A few years
later, he found the paper and had completely forgotten what tune he had filked it to (which means he wrote a completely new lyric, and didn’t just change 3 or 4 words from the original, or he would have recognized it…..hint….hint). So he was forced to write an original tune to it. Voila! A completely new work, words and lyrics. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">OK, so I made a big deal out of something that was just for fun. I realize that. I posted the Viking filk to the Llama song on this list….but as an example of bad versus better filk. I just wanted to voice this opinion once again after hearing sooooo many modern filks this weekend. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Now I am going to try to stave off this descending cloud of fatigue and unconsciousness until bed time……if……..possible. Bjornsborg……..far away……from…..Steppes.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Kenneth<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">PS I heard some fantastic performances at the competition last night! Our kingdom is truly blessed with some awesome talent.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;">-K <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color: navy;"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif"; color:
navy;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> James Rushin [mailto:dweezle@pcsok.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:51 AM<br> <b>To:</b> 'Ansteorran Bardic list'<br> <b>Subject:</b> [Bards] My apologies to John Travolta and the Beegees,but it just kind of happened</span><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Stayin’ Alive<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Tune by the Bee Gees<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Words by Ld. Allon McBaine<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Well you can tell by the way I use my walk<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm a fightin’ man, no time to talk.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Freon helms, and duct taped swords, <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I've been knocked around,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Since before you were born.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But it's all right, it's ok,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This bout can go any other way.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You should try to understand,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I swear it's nothin’ personal man.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If your hesitatin' then it’s your life I'm takin',<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">See the shields breakin', feel the ground shakin'. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA Ha Ha stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA HA HA stayin' alive...<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Well now, I swing low and I swing high,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">And If I can't get in, then I'll really try.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Got the wings of Ravens on my shoes,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm Odin's man and I just can’t lose.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You know it's all right, it's Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'll live to see another day.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You should try to understand,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I swear its nothin' personal man.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If your hesitatin' then it’s your life I'm takin',<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">See the shields breakin', feel the ground shakin'. <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA Ha Ha stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA HA HA stayin' alive...<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fights, goin' nowhere, somebody help him.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Somebody help him, please.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fights goin' nowhere, somebody help them,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin' alive...<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Well you can tell by the way I use my walk<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm a fightin’ man, no time to talk.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Freon helms, and duct taped swords, <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I've been knocked
around,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Since before you were born.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But it's all right, it's ok,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This bout can go any other way.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You should try to understand,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I swear it's nothin’ personal
man.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If your hesitatin' then its your life I'm takin',<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin alive, stayin alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">See the shields breakin', feel the ground shakin'. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA Ha Ha stayin' alive, stayin' alive.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">HA HA HA HA stayin' alive...<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fights, goin' nowhere, somebody help him.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Somebody help him, please.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Fights goin' nowhere, somebody help them,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cause I'm stayin' alive...<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><br> -- <br> This message has been scanned for viruses and <br> dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br> believed to be clean. <br> -- <br> This message has been scanned for
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