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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I don't know, Emma. I get feedback all of the
time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Now. Granted, I mix in Irish traditional music with
the early history music, but what feedback are you looking
for.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We all play different games. Some people want others
to play theirs.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So. Do I approve of behaviors where someone announces
that they wish a song hadn't been created? No. But I'll play my own
game with that one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Do I think we should disbelieve in filk? No.
Me, I'd work a bit on the meter on some of the verses in the piece below, but
it'd be fun to watch, I think. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But that's the game I play. I'm a minstrel. I
wander about and play and sing. I occasionally compose, and I perform for
others when asked. I have currently not offended while performing but for
one time, and to the person who took humbrage at that moment, my sincere
apologies. For the lady who came at me with a knife the other day while
performing ... well, what can I say. There's a little madness in us
all ;-).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To Emma: Every one of us that are performing attempts
forms in historical style from time to time. Some may come close to the
truth of it, but we'll never really know. I have a good friend with a
doctorate in historical music and dance and have performed with her troupe on
occasion. While she enjoys the historical forms, she (and others) believe
that the form was mostly for entertainment, and with that, most of it varied
from the accepted form now and then. Good art does that. It presses
the boundaries, and sometimes the boundary breaks. I would encourage you
to keep trying, if you want to. I do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>To Allon: The hardest thing to receive in a work that
springs from your brain, no matter how guided the form might be by another
media, is critique. Especially when unasked for. In a judging
situation I provide critique, though I will in the future ask that forms include
a "Do you want critique?" question somewhere on them, for those who DON'T.
I think where Kenneth's coming from is he doesn't want a whole bardic circle
based on variants of "Gilligan's Island" or the like. I don't see that
happening, but he has probably attended more bardic circles than I and it
wouldn't take many of that type of circle to make one ... twitchy. If I
were you, I wouldn't take it personally. Easy for me to say. Hard
for you to do. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To Kenneth: Don't write when you're tired and
frumpy. It doesn't come across well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gerald
of Leesville.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=182385002-27052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A bard
of Stargate</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Esther<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 26, 2008 3:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ansteorran
Bardic list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bards] My apologies to John Travolta and the
Beegees,but it just kind of happened<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>And it was funny, and it was applauded as such.<BR><BR>On the other
side of this coin, it's much easier to get applause for a filk than it is to get
feedback and comment on attempting period forms, or at least that's been my
experience for the last 15 years. So I don't try anymore, which is probably just
as well, because as bards go, I'm a poor one.<BR><BR>Emma<BR><BR><B><I>James
Rushin <dweezle@pcsok.com></I></B> wrote:
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the love of the Gods!! This is exactly why I don’t post to lists.
I could go on and on and rebuke different points and argue my “case” as it
where. But I don’t have to. Its been done by countless numbers of
people over many different lists ever since I began playing 10 years
ago. But this was posted in fun. As to singing it at an event, I
wouldn’t even sing it to my wife while sitting in front of the computer after
I filked it. I personally am quite tired of hearing the whole argument
for and against filk, its been beaten to death and bantered over for at least
10 years. It’s a Game played in Fun. I wish we could remember that
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bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken Theriot<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ansteorran Bardic list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bards] My
apologies to John Travolta and the Beegees, but it just kind of
happened<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">OK,
just as an example of what I was saying before….this is all in good fun, and
appropriate for certain venues. I can certainly appreciate it in that
way. But may I please make an appeal to everyone to NOT sing this at an
event, at least not until it is well after midnight and sufficiently drunk
out? I know I’m gonna get yelled at, and I don’t mean to kick anyone’s
puppy. But I just wish the bardic arts in Ansteorra could steer itself
away from filks to obviously modern songs. It starts out as something
everyone gets a good laugh at, and then before you know it, people are singing
it at competitions and bardic circles, and it spreads and can’t be
contained. So what is wrong with it? Well first and foremost, it
is illegal. The song this was filked to (and I could name half a dozen
others that I have recently heard sung <U>in competitions</U> that are in the
same category) is under active copyright. That means the tune AND the
words. Most of the filks I hear actually don’t even change that many
words from the original! I have literally heard someone sing a song that
was identical to the modern original except for changing one word to
“Ansteorra.” When you publicly perform a copyrighted work that is not
your own, you break the law. And guess who is liable? Not
you! The person/group performing the copyrighted song is not who would
be sued in the event of legal action. It is the venue. So
technically, any of the sites where we hold events could literally be sued for
copyright infringement if one of our members performs a song under active
copyright. Even if the filker changed every word, and wrote a completely
new lyric (would that it were so!!!), the use of the tune is still
protected. Secondly, as I mentioned in an earlier post on filk,
obviously modern tunes can snap people out of the medieval reverie. You
would NEVER blast a boom box of The BeeGees in the middle of an event.
So how is this any different? We strive to avoid it in every other area,
but seem to actively encourage it in our art.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
recently judged the bardic competition (with Dona Antonia) at Squires and
Cadets, and one competitor sang a filk called “Always a Herald to Me.”
The mere fact that I am a huge Billy Joel fan in my mundane life is the main
reason why that performance killed the SCA atmosphere for me. I had
“Always a Woman to Me” stuck in my head the rest of the day.
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Don
Mateo, who is an excellent bard recently moved into Ansteorra, has a great
filk story. He said he wrote a filk several years ago, and stuck the
paper away somewhere. A few years later, he found the paper and had
completely forgotten what tune he had filked it to (which means he wrote a
completely new lyric, and didn’t just change 3 or 4 words from the original,
or he would have recognized it…..hint….hint). So he was forced to write
an original tune to it. Voila! A completely new work, words and
lyrics. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">OK, so
I made a big deal out of something that was just for fun. I realize
that. I posted the Viking filk to the Llama song on this list….but as an
example of bad versus better filk. I just wanted to voice this opinion
once again after hearing sooooo many modern filks this weekend.
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now I
am going to try to stave off this descending cloud of fatigue and
unconsciousness until bed time……if……..possible. Bjornsborg……..far
away……from…..Steppes.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Kenneth<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PS
I heard some fantastic performances at the competition last night! Our
kingdom is truly blessed with some awesome talent.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> James Rushin
[mailto:dweezle@pcsok.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:51
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ansteorran Bardic list'<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Bards] My
apologies to John Travolta and the Beegees,but it just kind of
happened</SPAN><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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by the Bee Gees<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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