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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Gerald! Ah as ever you are
the voice of reason, balance and calm. When my lady (who may or may not
have been the one coming at you with the knife</span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>) saw what I had written,
she said “well, if you wanted to piss someone off, I think you succeeded.
But if you wanted to state a reasoned and logical opinion, don't write when
you're tired and frumpy. It doesn't come across well.” Well,
she didn’t use those same words, but it amounts to the same thing.
And when my lady tells me this, then I know for sure it is true. I have
since learned that I suffered severe heat exhaustion over the weekend. It
if hadn’t been for my squire (a nurse….can I pick ‘em or
what?) forcing undiluted Gatorade, bananas and pickle juice down my throat,
things could have gotten really bad. That’s no excuse for being a
jerk, though. So I apologize for the manner of post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hopefully I can distill the essence of my
thoughts very briefly without offending anyone now that I have had proper rest
and recovery. Here goes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Filk
is period and it definitely has a place in the bardic arts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As
with anything in our game, filk can either add to or detract from an SCA
setting, depending on how, where, and when it is done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Filk
has the added potential pitfall of falling afoul of the law, and I don’t
think a lot of people understand that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Since
filk usually relies on using someone else’s intellectual property
(see item 3 above), we should be extra careful about securing proper licensing
or permission (if publishing or performing publicly), or giving credit to
the creator (if just sharing in a private setting with friends, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Songs
filked to obviously modern, widely-known mundane pop songs are more likely
to be objectionable at events since they can snap someone out of that
elusive “outside of time” mood many of us chase in the SCA.
That is my opinion, not a universally accepted rule. I also feel
like there are too many of these types of filks out there, and my wish is
that we emphasize those types of songs less, and encourage more original
or period pieces. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Filk
is an outstanding vehicle for comedy. Laughter is on my top 5 values
in life, and many a clever filk has made me laugh. I grew up on a
steady diet of Dr. Demento where I first heard Weird Al. I really do
like it…a lot. And so do lots of other people. This is probably
the reason it is so alluring. And for some of the reasons mentioned
above, I think we need to be more aware of the potential unintended effects
filk can have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hope that is less inflammatory and serves
as the point of discussion I intended.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kenneth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Gerald of
Leesville [mailto:gerald.of.leesville@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 26, 2008 10:52
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bards] Early History
styles, filk,and frumpery - was - RE: My apologies to John Travolta and
theBeegees, but it just kind of happened</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I don't know, Emma. I get feedback
all of the time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Now. Granted, I mix in Irish
traditional music with the early history music, but what feedback are you
looking for.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>We all play different games. Some
people want others to play theirs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So. Do I approve of behaviors where
someone announces that they wish a song hadn't been created? No.
But I'll play my own game with that one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Do I think we should disbelieve in
filk? No. Me, I'd work a bit on the meter on some of the verses in
the piece below, but it'd be fun to watch, I think. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>But that's the game I play. I'm a
minstrel. I wander about and play and sing. I occasionally compose,
and I perform for others when asked. I have currently not offended while
performing but for one time, and to the person who took humbrage at that
moment, my sincere apologies. For the lady who came at me with a knife
the other day while performing ... well, what can I say. There's a
little madness in us all ;-).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To Emma: Every one of us that are
performing attempts forms in historical style from time to time. Some may
come close to the truth of it, but we'll never really know. I have a good
friend with a doctorate in historical music and dance and have performed with
her troupe on occasion. While she enjoys the historical forms, she (and
others) believe that the form was mostly for entertainment, and with that, most
of it varied from the accepted form now and then. Good art does
that. It presses the boundaries, and sometimes the boundary breaks.
I would encourage you to keep trying, if you want to. I do.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To Allon: The hardest thing to
receive in a work that springs from your brain, no matter how guided the form
might be by another media, is critique. Especially when unasked
for. In a judging situation I provide critique, though I will in the
future ask that forms include a "Do you want critique?" question
somewhere on them, for those who DON'T. I think where Kenneth's coming
from is he doesn't want a whole bardic circle based on variants of "Gilligan's
<st1:place w:st="on">Island</st1:place>" or the like. I don't see
that happening, but he has probably attended more bardic circles than I and it
wouldn't take many of that type of circle to make one ... twitchy. If I
were you, I wouldn't take it personally. Easy for me to say. Hard
for you to do. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To Kenneth: Don't write when you're
tired and frumpy. It doesn't come across well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Gerald of Leesville.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>A bard of Stargate</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Esther<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 26, 2008 3:42 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] My apologies
to John Travolta and the Beegees,but it just kind of happened</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>And it was funny, and it was applauded as such.<br>
<br>
On the other side of this coin, it's much easier to get applause for a filk
than it is to get feedback and comment on attempting period forms, or at least
that's been my experience for the last 15 years. So I don't try anymore, which
is probably just as well, because as bards go, I'm a poor one.<br>
<br>
Emma<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>James Rushin
<dweezle@pcsok.com></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>For the love of the
Gods!! This is exactly why I don’t post to lists. I could go
on and on and rebuke different points and argue my “case” as it
where. But I don’t have to. Its been done by countless numbers
of people over many different lists ever since I began playing 10 years
ago. But this was posted in fun. As to singing it at an event, I
wouldn’t even sing it to my wife while sitting in front of the computer
after I filked it. I personally am quite tired of hearing the whole
argument for and against filk, its been beaten to death and bantered over for
at least 10 years. It’s a Game played in Fun. I wish we could
remember that and keep it that way.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:P></u5:P>Allon<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'><u5:P></u5:P>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:bards-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ken Theriot<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bards] My apologies
to John Travolta and the Beegees, but it just kind of happened<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OK, just as an example of what I was
saying before….this is all in good fun, and appropriate for certain
venues. I can certainly appreciate it in that way. But may I please
make an appeal to everyone to NOT sing this at an event, at least not until it
is well after midnight and sufficiently drunk out? I know I’m gonna
get yelled at, and I don’t mean to kick anyone’s puppy. But I
just wish the bardic arts in Ansteorra could steer itself away from filks to
obviously modern songs. It starts out as something everyone gets a good
laugh at, and then before you know it, people are singing it at competitions
and bardic circles, and it spreads and can’t be contained. So what
is wrong with it? Well first and foremost, it is illegal. The song
this was filked to (and I could name half a dozen others that I have recently
heard sung <u>in competitions</u> that are in the same category) is under
active copyright. That means the tune AND the words. Most of the
filks I hear actually don’t even change that many words from the
original! I have literally heard someone sing a song that was identical
to the modern original except for changing one word to
“Ansteorra.” When you publicly perform a copyrighted work
that is not your own, you break the law. And guess who is liable?
Not you! The person/group performing the copyrighted song is not who
would be sued in the event of legal action. It is the venue. So
technically, any of the sites where we hold events could literally be sued for
copyright infringement if one of our members performs a song under active
copyright. Even if the filker changed every word, and wrote a completely
new lyric (would that it were so!!!), the use of the tune is still
protected. Secondly, as I mentioned in an earlier post on filk, obviously
modern tunes can snap people out of the medieval reverie. You would NEVER
blast a boom box of The BeeGees in the middle of an event. So how is this
any different? We strive to avoid it in every other area, but seem to
actively encourage it in our art.<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I recently judged the bardic competition
(with Dona Antonia) at Squires and Cadets, and one competitor sang a filk
called “Always a Herald to Me.” The mere fact that I am a
huge Billy Joel fan in my mundane life is the main reason why that performance
killed the SCA atmosphere for me. I had “Always a Woman to
Me” stuck in my head the rest of the day. <u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:P></u5:P>Don Mateo, who is an
excellent bard recently moved into Ansteorra, has a great filk story. He
said he wrote a filk several years ago, and stuck the paper away
somewhere. A few years later, he found the paper and had completely
forgotten what tune he had filked it to (which means he wrote a completely new
lyric, and didn’t just change 3 or 4 words from the original, or he would
have recognized it…..hint….hint). So he was forced to write
an original tune to it. Voila! A completely new work, words and
lyrics. <u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:P></u5:P>OK, so I made a big deal out
of something that was just for fun. I realize that. I posted the
Viking filk to the Llama song on this list….but as an example of bad
versus better filk. I just wanted to voice this opinion once again after
hearing sooooo many modern filks this weekend. <u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:P></u5:P>Now I am going to try to
stave off this descending cloud of fatigue and unconsciousness until bed
time……if……..possible.
Bjornsborg……..far away……from…..Steppes.<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u5:P></u5:P>PS I heard some
fantastic performances at the competition last night! Our kingdom is
truly blessed with some awesome talent.<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> James Rushin
[mailto:dweezle@pcsok.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:51 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ansteorran
Bardic list</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bards] My apologies to
John Travolta and the Beegees,but it just kind of happened</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:P></u5:P>Stayin’
Alive<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Tune by the Bee Gees<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Words by Ld. Allon
McBaine<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><u5:P></u5:P><u5:P></u5:P> Well
you can tell by the way I use my walk<u5:P></u5:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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