[Bg-dance] [discussion] Lazy Robin tune question

Susan Scott gwenneth40 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 24 11:28:37 PDT 2011


What about creating 16th-century-style choreography to the same tune?  It
could be inspired by the 20th-century one, but not have to be restricted by
it.  (I have not heard the tune myself; if it isn't quite period sounding,
maybe a new variation could be made?)

Gwenneth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 1:24 PM, <star7fisher at aol.com> wrote:

> Lazy Robin / Robin Ddiog
>
> FYI: below is an on-going discussion from music guild and some dance
> members - I added the bg-dance list to ensure all interested parties are
> able to add their own 2 cents if they feel it worth adding.
>
>
> Although the dance looks fun to do, I'm thinking curmudgeonly too.  Now
> most of the moves are easily in alignment with period dance steps (except,
> possibly, backing through an arch).
>
> However, it is clear in what online information I could find that the
> choreography was created in the 20th Century.
>
> Arguably, we do dance Korobushka, which we now have researched to be
> created from Russian (some say Ukranian) immigrants after they settled in
> America in 1900's.  However, we dance Korobuskka, despite knowing better,
> because it is an SCA-Traditional dance.  This means that it was introduced
> and proliferated in the SCA, before we got more diligent about dance
> origins.
>
> To my knowledge, the Robin Ddiog, was not adapted into the SCA or
> well-spread throughout it if it was.  So it does not meet my standards - yes
> I do have some - of the types of dance I promote:
>
> 1) pre-1650 dances of European origin (really 1699 for me <grin>)
> 2) SCA Traditional dances
> 3) SCA-created dances (member choreography), preferably based on authentic
> pre-1650 dance styles and music.
> If you want to dance the dance, it might be best to pursue it with a group
> focused on folk dances rather than our own specific period and location
> preferences.  There are a number of folk dancing groups around town.
>
> @Cindy <evil grin> The Macarina does not qualify as a bransle, because it
> does not actually use sideways steps as is required for bransles.
>
> Star
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zach Most <clermont1348 at yahoo.com>
> To: bryngwladearlymusicguild <bryngwladearlymusicguild at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:42 am
> Subject: Re: [bryngwladearlymusicguild] Fwd: Lazy Robin tune question
>
>
>   I'm always up for learning a new song.  I've honestly been thinking that
> it would be fun to do Metallica covers with early instruments.
>   But philosophically, we have some obligation to keep things pre-1600.  It
> gets hard for dance since that limits them to choreography from the 15th and
> 16th centuries.  If there's anything earlier than that I'd LOVE to see it.
> But there's a ton of material from the era that we haven't explored.
>   I wish I'd been able to find a diplomatic way to express this last night
> when the song was requested.  I'm sure the song is lovely and fun to dance
> to, but I think we can find something more inspirational pre-1600.
>   Gaston (who apparently is being a bit of curmudgeon today)
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Cindy Schaufenbuel <harponyou at yahoo.com>
> *To:* "bryngwladearlymusicguild at yahoogroups.com" <
> bryngwladearlymusicguild at yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [bryngwladearlymusicguild] Fwd: Lazy Robin tune question
>
>
> I'm not a dance expert, so I have no idea whether any steps in the dance
> itself "could not" have been done pre-1600. The tune itself could easily
> have been written in period, even though it wasn't. But that's true of a lot
> of "folk music."
>
> For that matter, I'm sure we could adapt the Macarena to something
> resembling period and do that, too. Call it a bransle! Gaston, I can hear it
> as a hurdy-gurdy solo.
>
> I'm kidding about that, of course, but I found this about the origins of
> the "Lazy Robin" dance:
>
> Lois Blake, a founding member of *Cymdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru* (Welsh
> Folk Dance Society), devised the non-partner version of this dance to an old
> Welsh tune in the 1940s. Michael and Mary Ann Herman introduced Blake's
> version around 1952.
>
> http://www.phantomranch.net/folkdanc/dances/robinddi.htm
>
> If we want to pass a mid-20th century dance off as pre-1600, we could do
> anything, really.
>
> Cecilia
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* s1ren <s1renwoman at gmail.com>
> *To:* David Shankle <gatsbydave at yahoo.com>; Hugh Ryan <
> saporling2 at yahoo.com>; Cindy Schaufenbuel <cindy.schaufenbuel at gmail.com>;
> bryngwladearlymusicguild at yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:08 AM
> *Subject:* [bryngwladearlymusicguild] Fwd: Lazy Robin tune question
>
>
> Morning, everyone!  I'm forwarding this email from Ld. Daniel de Lincoln,
> containing a couple of music files and a video for *Lazy Robin*, the dance
> tune that he was asking us about last night at PiP.  (Cindy, you weren't
> there, but I thought you might be interested).
>
> From what [little] I could find out on the web with a quick glance is that
> it's a "traditional" Welsh dance tune, possibly from the 1700s.   Daniel's
> wondering if the music could be adapted to a more SCA-period style and
> instrumentation, and danced to by our dance guild.
>
> I like it, and I think it could definitely work (heck, if we do Darabuska,
> we can do this one, tee-hee).  What do you guys think?
>
> ~ Madylyne
>
> P.S. - I also found dance instruction to go with that video, if anyone's
> interested:
> http://www.pluckandsqueeze.com/Robin%20D.htm
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
>
> This is the tune I mentioned at PIP.  I am wondering whether it sounds
> at all plausible for a pre-18th century dance tune.  (Yeah, SCA period
> is pre-17th C, but we go long with English country ...)
>
> Easier to pass URLs around than files.
>
> http://www.panix.com/~tmcd/lazy_robin.ogg
> http://www.panix.com/~tmcd/lazy_robin.mp3
>
> This is a dance being performed to this tune and others.  There are 6
> parts to the medley, and 1, 3, and 5 are the tune in question
> (actually, the one above is a variant of this).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVUe01_psdY
>
> Denyel Lincoln
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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